Torchwood...

[tencrush]

So...


Jack has a daughter. A grown-up daughter. Why are people making such a fuss over this? Doesn't it really stand to reason that the guy would have procreated at some point in his exceedingly long existence?

Now, guys, I love Ianto, you all know I do, but why does every reaction I've read to this news involve people going "OMG What's Ianto going to have to say about this ??! O_o!!?!1!" Why would Ianto even care that Jack stuck it up some fanny in the swinging sixties (judging from her age)? Why would Ianto knowing or not knowing have any bearing on their relationship? There's a lot Ianto doesn't know about Jack, he doesn't really seem to have a problem with that, surely? And anyway, why is everyone assuming Jack has a daughter that he knew about?

I know what Ianto's going to have to say about this, and it's not "Oh my God you didn't tell me you had a daughter you bastard you don't really love me and want to have my babies I'm leaving you and I'm taking the puppy!!cri!!?11!", rather it's along the same levels of emotional intensity as everything else Ianto has had to say about The Things He Didn't Know About Jack. He's going to say "Oh... Coffee?"

INORITE??

ETA: I'm fucking sick of all the fangirls imposing this weird-arsed hetero, monogamous, full-disclosure, true-love view on this relationship, especially from Ianto's point of view, like it's been stated at some fucking meeting that I didn't attend that Ianto's looking for Jack to provide him with love and marriage and gay puppies in a picket-fenced garden. It hasn't, and for the record, the absolute KING of non-disclosure, secrecy and emotional reserve is IANTO himself. Watch it again. (Yes, I still stand by what I said, and that's that I think Ianto's in love with Jack, or it's certainly been played that way, but SO WHAT? It's beside the point when it comes to what these two want from this relationship.)

ETA AGAIN: So, bearing in mind that Jack is Russell's Doctor-lite in Torchwood, with the emo and the ManPain, this is what will happen: Jack will TELL US (maybe we'll be lucky and he'll tell Ianto in a rare fit of Talking To Ianto About Emotional Things) about his emo and not having a family because it's OMGtoopainful to watch those you love die. Cue daughter he never knew he had and overacted emo. Daughter eventually dies in order to HAMMER HOME the point of the ImmortalManPain for those of us too dim to have got it the first time around. Cue more of Jack's overacted emo after which perhaps he stares into space on a rooftop for a bit. No, having thought about it, then he stares in silence at a picture of her as a baby and her mother. Then he puts the picture away in his locked box of pictures manpain pictures, which is a METAPHOR for his "locked" "box" of "manpain" "pictures" "manpain". GET IT???? YES???? Fin.

Comments

[louisema.livejournal.com]

It being a momentous occasion, Ianto might just raise his eyebrows as he's told the news. He will then offer coffee.

[tencrush]

If it's especially poignant, he may well raise just the one.

[kel-reiley.livejournal.com]

my objection goes along these lines: Jack should be sterile, otherwise he'd have illegitimate children all over the place and unknowingly will shag them when he accidentally runs into them as adults
and i like to think that's a level of gross that jack wouldn't want

ianto's reaction? 'your daughter is older than me. weird. she's hot, though.'

[tencrush]

Why wouldn't Jack be having safe sex? Most of the time, anyway?

[jamesie-boy.livejournal.com]

*snorts* your 'ETA AGAIN'. seriously, LMAO.

[tencrush]

Maybe he doesn't stand on a rooftop, maybe he looks at a picture she gave him of her and her mother. Then files it away. IT'S A METTAFOR GODDAMMIT!!!

[jo02]

I think you're wrong on one thing re Ianto's reaction to Jack having a daughter.
The "Coffee?" part is right but it goes like this -
Ianto to Jack, "Please tell me she's nothing like you . . . coffee everyone?"

And can I just add that I'm so glad I'm not on the same forums as you are (or any for that matter)!
It sounds too fucking exhausting over there, and I'm very grateful that you do it for us and just report the pertinent facts back to us. **hands you bravery medals**

It's funny that you related his daughter to an encounter in the 60s. My thoughts went to his opening lines in the very first episode and my first reaction was that it was his daughter from the future who comes through the Rift, either intentionally or accidentally.

re the ETA, does that make Ianto the tin dog?

[kateorman.livejournal.com]

WHAT IF IANTO GETS IT ON WITH JACK'S DAUGHTER

OMG

IS THAT INCEST

I CAN'T WORK IT OUT

[tencrush]

Only if Ianto is somehow related to Jack. Which I'm still not ruling out.

In my fanon Ianto totally digs older women, but that fanon is admittedly purely based on the fact that I am one.

[dividedloyalty.livejournal.com]

Assuming that his daughter will be on their real time, and not some flashback, I think Ianto might actually go "Don't look at me. I can deal with you, but not with a version of you on estrogen. You're on your own."

Or he might bang her. :) That'd be so awesome.

[tencrush]

He should totally bang her and upset the kittenfic crowd. And then go "What? She's like you, only with a vag. We're not exclusive or anything are we? Coffee?"

You are so funny.

[phaedra4real.livejournal.com]

But don't let the fangirls get you all in a tizzy.

I agree with you. Ianto should not in any way shape or form have any reaction to the news that Jack has a daughter that somehow hooks up with them. In fact, it wouldn't surprise me if Ianto knew about it given all the research he does about the place.

It also does not surprise me he has a child. I've often thought about all the sperm he's been throwing about amounting to hordes of children over the years. This should not come as a surprise to anyone.

It does pose an interesting twist to story plots. I like the killing her off in the end, but ...... I like better that she goes off with the new Doctor. He needs an older companion. She's older. Meh. Who knows.

[(Anonymous)]

Can't say that I'm thrilled at the daughter plot line. The brother one was too painful and pointless. I'm kind of hoping that they do know about each other but they don't get on and spend half their time sniping at each other when ever they do meet.

[alba17.livejournal.com]

You are absolutely right, that's exactly how it'll happen. LOL

I did see this spoiler on tigercheetah's rundown of spoilers, but I kind of wish I hadn't. No one mentioned that possibly JACK could have given birth to her, although I don't think they'll do that. Where is all this flailing about Ianto and the daughter happening? On Dr. Who Forum?

I'm sure the daughter will die.

[tencrush]

Nah, it was somewhere on LJ in one of the communties. I think it got lost amongst all the OMG THIS IS AN IMPROPERLY LABELLED SPOILER!! wank that happened at the time.

[nuptse.livejournal.com]

Oh jeez.
Sometimes I'm not quite sure if the type of folk you speak of are just really young (literally and/or mentally) or if they just need a smack upside the head.
Yeah, sure, tv=escapism and all that, but still - doesn't mean you leave all sense/logic behind.
I think it might also smack of these folks coming to the situation using their own emotions. Not Ianto's. 'Cause I'm with everyone above about Ianto probably just raising an eyebrow and carrying on.

[cionaudha.livejournal.com]

And here I was just telling someone that for once there was no wank about a major disclosure...

[quinn222.livejournal.com]

There's always wank.

[louiex.livejournal.com]

He's going to say "Oh... Coffee?"

I love you :D Honestly, I really do~ While it's easy to get caught up in the non-existent twu luv aspects of the Jack/Ianto, we haven't SEEN any canon evidence that Ianto stamps his feet in such a manner. If anything, to take the books as canon, Ianto messes around on the side just as much as Jack does but both will admit that there is an emotional attachment between the two (in Almost Perfect, Jack seems far more keen to do so than Ianto, actually).

[tigercheetah.livejournal.com]

I agree that Almost Perfect seems to imply that Ianto is holding back more than Jack but is this canon or just James Goss's interpretation? Did James Goss have the 'conversation' with TPTB at Torchwood HQ?

[venusinchains.livejournal.com]

I'd missed the "Jack has a daughter" spoiler. So they really are doing a Meet The Family thing with Jack and Ianto in S03.

I want to say I'm going to reserve my opinion for how it plays out, but Family Drama has fallen kind of flat for Jack in the past (it's not really JBs strong point, not his "brother"s either), it leaves me hoping that Ianto does wind up being the (only) one to emote over her appearance, if only because she's "part of Jack" (or even "Jack with a vag"). I have more confidence in GDLs ability to convince me (or at least to keep me from cringing).

[tigercheetah.livejournal.com]

Like I've said on other forums Jack and Ianto - not to mention Gwen - should be too busy dealing with young children who are behaving strangely and the threat from the '456' for much time to be spent on Jack's private life. Even Gareth has said that after episode 1 the pace is relentless. UNLESS Alice is a part of the 456 but we've already had a relative from hell as far as Jack is concerned.

I hope RTD hasn't done one of his over-the-top finals with everyone including the kitchen sink putting in an appearance. Journey's End was a mess for me.

[cirrocumulus.livejournal.com]

1) One way to make me love this would be for it to be Jack's daughter, as in the one he mentioned being pregnant with in "Everything Changes." Not only because LOL CANON MPREG but mainly just because it would be continuity, at least. Introducing an O HAI MAGICAL DAUGHTER THAT WAS NEVER EVER MENTIONED BEFORE would annoy me, but at least if they pretended that they'd planned it from the beginning I could get with that. But as you said in a reply above, I don't understand why some people think Jack ought to have an army of illegitimate children roaming the earth. I'm sure he doesn't go indiscriminately ejaculating into people without thought as to the consequences, so I'm honestly rather surprised he has a child.

2) People underestimate Ianto's ability to deal with this shit, really. I have read so many fics lately where Jack Does Something Bad and Ianto pees his little panties about it. Ianto has forgiven Jack for executing his girlfriend so I think Ianto has a very, very high tolerance for all the things Jack does that other people couldn't deal with. Their relationship just wouldn't work out at all if Ianto wasn't very understanding of Jack, and didn't allow Jack to have parts of his life that Ianto doesn't know about. And we know Jack does trust Ianto a lot as it is, because Ianto knows stuff about Torchwood that the rest of the team doesn't know, like Flatholm, so I'm sure that either a) Ianto already knows or b) Ianto totally understands why Jack hasn't told him already.

[venusinchains.livejournal.com]

I'm on board for all of this.

[lefaym.livejournal.com]

I think I love you. ♥ Your ETAs especially made me LOL.

I mean, I can see Ianto being slightly disconcerted at finding out that Jack has a daughter who is older than he is, but he knows plenty more disconcerting things about Jack, so it's not like it'd be a huge deal.

And yeah, his daughter is totally going to be a Jenny parallel, just like Gray was a Master parallel. She will die, and Ianto will sex him up to make it all better (except not).

[kaimu-art.livejournal.com]

I can see Ianto being slightly disconcerted at finding out that Jack has a daughter who is older than he is,

I think that's the only thing he'd be disturbed about when it comes to Jack's daughter. Or the fact that he only has one daughter.

[cookiedough.livejournal.com]

I agree with all you have said. This was my thoughts exactly 1) im sure Jack didnt know about said daughter and b) if he did its probable he'd tell no one and c)why is everyone like WHAT WILL IANTO SAY?

[iceandlime.livejournal.com]

This... yes, so much yes. I think I love you a bit.

[laura47.livejournal.com]

yes, exactly. I agree completely, and screw those weird arsed fangirls.

[andreth47.livejournal.com]

I'm fucking sick of all the fangirls imposing this weird-arsed hetero, monogamous, full-disclosure, true-love view on this relationship, especially from Ianto's point of view, like it's been stated at some fucking meeting that I didn't attend that Ianto's looking for Jack to provide him with love and marriage and gay puppies in a picket-fenced garden.

There is not enough WORD.

[rei17.livejournal.com]

Duh, I couldn´t agree with you more.
Why oh why is everybody trying to search for all kinds of silly teeny girly women-magazine-relationship problems - like "if he ever EVER slept with anybody else, even when it was fifty years ago, he doesn´t really luv me and I´m not the special one I thought I was - buhuuu". x_x
Oh yes - that´s so Ianto to me.

Has anybody ever considered that their canon relationship is one of those rare ones where both are actually ... you know the strange word? Ah! Happy? Content?
It seems to make their angsty dark and depressing life a little bit more bearable when they´re together and you know what? This is one of the reasons I ship them SO MUCH, so I dont get why people try to make them all miserable with each other, they´re clearly not, and try to make Ianto having all kinds of issues he doesn´t actually have.
Gah.

[maxine-mirkwood.livejournal.com]

What I don't get is why so many people seem to be reading so much fanfic and/or commentary they don't like... Why yes, there are quite a lot of young, overly emotional fangirls writing a Jack and Ianto I certainly don't recognise from the show, that's why I don't read it. But why get so bent out of shape by their mere existence? Did the interwebs suddenly get too small for all of us to fit?

[peterwilliams.livejournal.com]

Amen.

[rabecka.livejournal.com]

Oh my God you didn't tell me you had a daughter you bastard you don't really love me and want to have my babies I'm leaving you and I'm taking the puppy

ROTFL. Oh lord, did someone need to write this. Thank you, thank you, thank you... I really don't make a habit out of pimping my stuff, but after reading all the angst the other day, I wrote a little fic about how Jack's daughter really made her way to Torchwood. If you're interested, it's over here (http://rabecka.livejournal.com/6176.html)

[truecat.livejournal.com]

Thank you!!!!!

I mean Jack is the biggest flirt that will EVER exist. He also claims to be a bit of a man whore.

I'd be surprised if he didn't have a kids somewhere/sometime.

And even if the "fangirls imposing this weird-arsed hetero, monogamous, full-disclosure, true-love view on this relationship" (well said I must say) are so into pushing the mongamous angle (which I'm sure Jack is capable of) he is still over 150yrs old, not counting the underground time.

He has had others in his life, Ianto isn't the be all and end all, and we have been shown this, as well as the idea the Jack will walk away from those he loves rather than put them through his pain.

We know Jack is been around the block and every action has a reaction. The only thing that I'm surprised about is that the concept of Jack having kids out there has only just come up, been mentioned/used on the show.

So again thank you for you rant.

[hid9884.livejournal.com]

I can't resist. I bet ianto will be the one who tell Jack that he has a daughter.

Seriously, that guy knew everything!