And seriously, guys...

[tencrush]

SHE'S HIS FUCKING WIFE!!

She's not Rose, she's not Jenny, she's not the Rani, she's not Romana. River Song is the Doctor's wife from the future. She's going to die in the next episode. He will spend all that time with her, doing all that funstuff in her diary, knowing precisely how and when she will inevitably die.

Paradoxes, inevitability, fate, curse of a Time Lord... Jesus Christ to hear fandom talking you'd think they'd never seen a Moffat episode before.

EDITED TO ADD SOMETHING I POSTED IN THE COMMENTS: I don't understand what everyone's so worked up about, she's not the next companion, she's his lover/wife from some point in the future. We'll more than likely never see her again. It's about time travel and the weirdness involved. It's about the Doctor losing the woman he loves, BEFORE HE LOVES HER. It's about her dying in the arms of a man WHO DOESN'T LOVE HER YET. It's a timey-wimey Moffat story, nothing more.

Moffat's apparent fascination with the mechanics of time travel make me tremendously excited about his tenure as boss. I think if Moffat does go for any sort of overriding story arc, it will be far more clever than Rusty's namechecking "Torchwood" every bloody episode, and will probably deal with the same themes he seems so fond of, fixed history, inevitability of events, consequences of past and future actions. I'm excited about Moffat, really I am.

Comments

[pink-soprano.livejournal.com]

Yes. Yes, yes, yes, yes. And, by the way...yes.

Also, I think she's fantastic. What's with all the hating that's going on?!

[lightfromlight.livejournal.com]

She acts that intimate with the Doctor [and isn't Rose.] That, with or without the part in brackets, is enough to freak disparate groups of people the fuck out.

[pink-soprano.livejournal.com]

Aah. I often forget that not all fandom is as completely convinced of the Doctor's pansexual and polyamorous nature as I am. (I'm a bit surprised to see this hauling the "Ten/Rose ACTUAL OTP" people out of the woodwork, I've managed to avoid them for so long!)

[lightfromlight.livejournal.com]

Same here, but I'm on the opposite end--it seems that after living long enough, he finds life simpler without sex or romantic love.

But the beauty of a good character is being able to see what one wants to see.

[descrime.livejournal.com]

I don't understand why people are freaking out, because after next episode, she's never coming back. Her adventures with the doctor take the form of a book line or audio series. She will not be a companion so there's no need for the fandom implosion. This isn't directed at you, but I'm also getting a little sick of the insistence by fandom that Rose was the most awesome Companion ever and the only one the Doctor will ever love.

[descrime.livejournal.com]

Sorry, that would have her adventures with the doctor will take... And it's only my opinion, but I think it's the most likely solution.

[garpu.livejournal.com]

This isn't directed at you, but I'm also getting a little sick of the insistence by fandom that Rose was the most awesome Companion ever and the only one the Doctor will ever love.

Wordy McWord. It's like they're ignoring everything before 2005.

[lightfromlight.livejournal.com]

There was a show before 2005? Stop saying silly things.

[garpu.livejournal.com]

My mistake. ;)

[lightfromlight.livejournal.com]

DOCTOR/ROSE 4EVA!!!!

[garpu.livejournal.com]

TURLOUGH/KAMELEON OTP!

Foolish children!

[gillyp.livejournal.com]

Everyone knows that Jamie is his OTL.

[descrime.livejournal.com]

Honestly, in some ways, I think old Who's treatment of companions is better if only because didn't all have bloody UST with the Doctor. Of course then you also have Sarah Jane tripping down a flat piece of ground and twisting her ankle and then later in the same episode having Susan trip over a bloody big rock and twist her ankle too (I'm thinking Five Doctors).

[garpu.livejournal.com]

Eh, you know, I don't mind some attraction/flirtation, but I have a hard time with *everyone* seeming to fall for the Doctor. For me, Donna's a breath of fresh air. (Loved her "Hands!" comment in the last episode.)

[lightfromlight.livejournal.com]

I'm very sick of it and that's why I'm amused at the anti-River backlash.

[holdingoff.livejournal.com]

...getting a little sick of the insistence by fandom that Rose was the most awesome Companion ever...

ain't that the truth, Rose doesn't even make the top five in my book.

let's see,

Romana II
Romana I
Sarah Jane
Tegan
Jamie (cause boy howdy, did Frazer look good in a kilt...)

[longlostblue.livejournal.com]

Your icon... *ogles* Is that a fan or something?

[lightfromlight.livejournal.com]

[longlostblue.livejournal.com]

Good lord, if I was that woman I'd be squealing like a school child...

[lightfromlight.livejournal.com]

I probably would have been jumping up and down too much to do any ruffling.

But I also have sort of a hair fetish.

[longlostblue.livejournal.com]

Hell, I would pay big money to run my hands through David's hair... even just one swipe!

[gritsinmisery.livejournal.com]

I know it's easier from his standpoint to "sell" (give away for donations) the signed cards, and of course they're a "permanent" keepsake, but geezy-creezy he could pull in a bundle-o-cash if he'd auction off hair-ruffling privileges (w/ a side order of you get a photograph of yourself doing it.)

[vinylsigns.livejournal.com]

I don't know about a lot of people, but I personally don't like her for a couple reasons, astoundingly enough, not because I'm in the ZOMG ROSE/DOCTOR OTP 4EVAR camp (because I'm not. Though I like the pairing, I can deal with pretty much any non-squicky combo fandom can throw at me)

It's pretty much because of huge breaks in logic; I know it's all wibbly-wobbly, but I hate being dropped in the middle of a relationship and being expected to have some sort of emotional resonance with it when A) it's basically a lifted storyline and B) I can really only take comfort in the fact that the Doctor is just as bewildered at her forwardness as we are.

Speaking of her behavior, it strikes me that if she really was following the Doctor's rules on timelines, she wouldn't continue to make advances on him, esp. after she realizes he hasn't met her yet. Couple that with the fact that she keeps dropping hints like that and with the sonic screwdriver then having the gall to say "No, you no can has--is spoilers" is just plain stupid and irresponsible. And oh yeah, the total anvil-like subtlety with Donna. Yeah. Real smooth, River.

I do realize that this could all just be for added dramatic effect, but I think it could be handled so much better.

[problematique.livejournal.com]

thank you
I don't like the character and don't wish for the wife stuff to not be true because of shipping or whatever. I just feel as if this whole thing has not be handled very well at all.

Romance in general in Nu!Who has not been handled well and it's just really getting to me and I want it to stop.

[lo0o0ony-lauren.livejournal.com]

Just dropping in from who_daily to say, yeah, that's exactly how I feel as well.