And seriously, guys...

[tencrush]

SHE'S HIS FUCKING WIFE!!

She's not Rose, she's not Jenny, she's not the Rani, she's not Romana. River Song is the Doctor's wife from the future. She's going to die in the next episode. He will spend all that time with her, doing all that funstuff in her diary, knowing precisely how and when she will inevitably die.

Paradoxes, inevitability, fate, curse of a Time Lord... Jesus Christ to hear fandom talking you'd think they'd never seen a Moffat episode before.

EDITED TO ADD SOMETHING I POSTED IN THE COMMENTS: I don't understand what everyone's so worked up about, she's not the next companion, she's his lover/wife from some point in the future. We'll more than likely never see her again. It's about time travel and the weirdness involved. It's about the Doctor losing the woman he loves, BEFORE HE LOVES HER. It's about her dying in the arms of a man WHO DOESN'T LOVE HER YET. It's a timey-wimey Moffat story, nothing more.

Moffat's apparent fascination with the mechanics of time travel make me tremendously excited about his tenure as boss. I think if Moffat does go for any sort of overriding story arc, it will be far more clever than Rusty's namechecking "Torchwood" every bloody episode, and will probably deal with the same themes he seems so fond of, fixed history, inevitability of events, consequences of past and future actions. I'm excited about Moffat, really I am.

Comments

[kateorman.livejournal.com]

Worse, he'll have to hold her horrible remains while her neural relay stutters "I love you... I love you... love... love..." I bet a buck on it.

[tencrush]

I see your buck and raise you BOTH OF MY CHILDREN.

[jbs-teeth.livejournal.com]

I am FULL ON WITH YOU THERE, mostly because this plot line is recognizable as lifted directly from "The Time Traveler's Wife," which is one of the best books of the last five years or so.

And they will twist the shit out of that knife when its in her because they will also talk about him not being the last of the Time Lords or alone or the Master in a woman's body or some shit like that, and it will hurt us significantly as soon as it happens and again in future episodes, where the possibility of seeing her again will be ridiculously hard and bittersweet.

[garpu.livejournal.com]

I don't think any sane person would bet against that, if they've seen a Moffet episode. I love his episodes, but the Doctor does get beaten up in them. :/

[lankyguy.livejournal.com]

Of course you're right. I think it's fairly obvious.

[problematique.livejournal.com]

The problem is people, and I will include myself, really don't want that to be the case. It's the obvious and correct answer but just....no.

Not with Rose coming back and having to deal with that again too it's all just too much for my taste.

[lightfromlight.livejournal.com]

I found the speculation entertaining until someone speculated that she's his daughter with Rose. NO NO NO NO NO NOT RIGHT.

I think that this is it. It's a nice little mindfuck and gives us copious emo!Ten.

[tencrush]

But the story of River isn't playing out now that's the whole point. He doesn't love her now. It's the fucked-uppedness of time travel, and it's a subject Moffat keeps coming back to.

And I don't really see what Rose has to do with anything. I mean, there's shipping Ten/Rose and then there's being weirdly delusional and thinking River Song is The Master in disguise.

[hotchellerae.livejournal.com]

And that would be me...

It was just a joke, really. I don't think that's at all possible. I'm just wondering if there's something else she could be, but apparently I'm in the minority.

[thedorkygirl.livejournal.com]

Have we usually guessed the ends of his eps correctly (fandom-wide, I mean)?

[wiccagirl24.livejournal.com]

I don't think any sane person would bet against that

Ha! You've hit the problem right on the nose!

The Doctor gets beaten up and we fans get a growing list of things to be afraid of... gas masks, the word mummy, the ticking of clocks, statues, shadows...

[wiccagirl24.livejournal.com]

Wife/love. i completely agree. All the 'so and so' regenerated stuff is insane.

*grins*

Thank you for not being another anti-River post!

[tencrush]

I don't think we've ever attempted it. TEC/TDD was his only other two parter, and that was his first writing for Who, so we didn't have much to go on.

[pink-soprano.livejournal.com]

Yeah, that was the post that made me just go "right, I'm not reading another post speculating about River Song or else I'm going to go insane and start screaming. (Of course, then I looked at this one...I'm a sucker for punishment. I am so glad this was a sensible post!)

[pink-soprano.livejournal.com]

Yes. Yes, yes, yes, yes. And, by the way...yes.

Also, I think she's fantastic. What's with all the hating that's going on?!

[descrime.livejournal.com]

I think a lot of people are having a knee jerk reaction after requited!Rose and unrequited!Martha and the coy Donna hints, but I actually love River as his wife specifically because he doesn't love her right now, he doesn't even really like her right now, and yet when he does love her, he won't be able to come back to the moment of her death because he's already there, which is just deliciously messed up. I love how Moffat uses time.

[lightfromlight.livejournal.com]

I wish it were something else, and I hope that this speculation is wrong, but the wife/lover thing seems like the most logical explanation.

[lightfromlight.livejournal.com]

She acts that intimate with the Doctor [and isn't Rose.] That, with or without the part in brackets, is enough to freak disparate groups of people the fuck out.

[hotchellerae.livejournal.com]

I agree, but I think it's disrespectful to the other companions that appeared in this series to give us River Song and then take her away for however long. Next series isn't really a series. It's just a couple of special episodes, you know? It's just confusing and complicated and part of me thinks Moffat wanted it this way to keep us talking about these spoilers as opposed to those for the finale.

[tencrush]

Yeah, Moffat's always messing around with timelines, he seems far more interested in the actual mechanics and repercussions of time travel than anyone else writing for the show at the moment.

[descrime.livejournal.com]

Also, I don't think this was the right season for this story. Donna's season has already been full of hints of Rose's return and three episodes involving Martha. I think a lot of fans are just fed up with the writers seeming to keep overshadowing Donna's role as a companion.

[lightfromlight.livejournal.com]

The timeline could become messed up enough that now their relationship never happens. A lot can happen in the next few episodes.

[pink-soprano.livejournal.com]

Aah. I often forget that not all fandom is as completely convinced of the Doctor's pansexual and polyamorous nature as I am. (I'm a bit surprised to see this hauling the "Ten/Rose ACTUAL OTP" people out of the woodwork, I've managed to avoid them for so long!)

[pink-soprano.livejournal.com]

Nothing could overshadow Donna. She is the most un-overshadowalbe companion since Ace.

[darthhellokitty.livejournal.com]

Companions are important, but they aren't the focus of the show. The Doctor is the focus of the show; we see the companions through his dealings with them.