Rose h8, again.
May. 25th, 2006 11:49 am![[personal profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png){kind=small}
tencrushNos' got me thinking about Rose again, spreading the h8 and such. (I applaud her for it, I really do) And the whole thing actually got me thinking about fangirl projection and the Rose thing. Maybe I just don't get it.
If I'm honest about Who, the thing with me is, I never wanted to be the companion. Maybe that's a strange quirk of mine, but I always wanted to be The Doctor. In that sense the Doctor was always pretty asexual for me. Why the hell would you want to be the companion? Maybe that's what bugs me about the Rose love.
And thinking about it now, that's obviously why Ten has broken my brane, because wanting to be the Doctor and do the Doctor at the same time just leads to a mind full of WANK.
*goes for wank*
(not really, obviously, I'm far too busy with stuff)
If I'm honest about Who, the thing with me is, I never wanted to be the companion. Maybe that's a strange quirk of mine, but I always wanted to be The Doctor. In that sense the Doctor was always pretty asexual for me. Why the hell would you want to be the companion? Maybe that's what bugs me about the Rose love.
And thinking about it now, that's obviously why Ten has broken my brane, because wanting to be the Doctor and do the Doctor at the same time just leads to a mind full of WANK.
*goes for wank*
(not really, obviously, I'm far too busy with stuff)
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Date: 2006-05-25 02:22 pm (UTC)OMG YES. Me too!
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Date: 2006-05-25 02:30 pm (UTC)Or is it just that I'm far too far past 19?
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Date: 2006-05-25 02:40 pm (UTC)For me it's the fact that, I've been watching the Doctor since I was six years old at least, and I've seen companions come and go, but for me it was always the Doctor. *points at icon*
Also, companions are traditionally pretty useless, and ripping on them is also a tradition. So for me it's kinda jarring to be sold on a companion over and over again. To be told she is the Bestest Ever and that I should feel nothing but lurve for her.
Bollocks, I say. I like Rose when she's being likeable and I root for her to take a one-way trip on a Starliner when she's being a chav bitch, simple as that.
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Date: 2006-05-25 03:55 pm (UTC)Yeah this is what bugs me, and I think it's mostly a hangover from the Rose-centric attitude of series one. Series one just really wasn't about the Doctor enough for my taste. I cheer every time Rose gets captured (which she's actually doing a lot more this series, I've noticed) in an old-skool style, because I like my companions a bit crap. That's what they're there for.
She's nothing special, goddammit!
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Date: 2006-05-25 06:24 pm (UTC)Ek-flipping-zactly. I don't h8 Rose, I h8 what the show's adoration of her says about the rest of the companions, and indeed humanity in general.
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Date: 2006-05-26 05:00 am (UTC)...Which I've just realised is why the "Rose bonding with the servant girls" scenes annoy me so much. She just gives off a vibe of "popular girl decides to be nice to the little nobody for a while".
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Date: 2006-05-26 05:08 am (UTC)Mmmmm, yes. She does have a bit of an "I'll be nice to you because you're stupid/from a stupider time in history and you'll make me look good" vibe about her sometimes. Well, all the time really.
I H8 ROSE.
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Date: 2006-05-26 05:28 am (UTC)And the popular girl analogy is messing with my head a bit, because - I'm going entirely from my personal experience here - Rose comes off as an entirely different sort of figure from teen society. The condescending popular girl was normally the one with reasonable marks, not too rebellious, is polite to the teachers, family doing okay, money wise. Rose's background is more the bitchy popular girl, the kind that is less secure about their popularity, less about appearances and more about having fun, with a slightly less comfortable family life. The kind that's more in your face mean, and has less respect from people.
And you combine these facts, and it gives me the unpleasant mental image of Rose as the sort of school social climber, using the Doctor as her means to move up, to get that. She wants to be better than what she is. And so, she is ever so nice to the servant girls. But then she goes on with "Maybe Lucy's a but fick," which is such a bitchy popular girl thing.
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Date: 2006-05-26 05:43 am (UTC)Yeah, I've always kind of read that between the lines myself, just because of her background, because she is, at the end of the day, from a council estate. I've always had a bit of a feeling that one of the main reasons she's so gushy for him is that he treats her like she's better than she is, and she absolutely adores being treated like that. She comes across as someone who, had she not met the Doctor, would have still left Mickey, and gone to look for someone of a higher status, or with more money or whatever to get her out of her social position and into something better. A classic Footballer's Wife.
I just have always found it hard to like her.
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Date: 2006-05-26 06:01 am (UTC)As time passes, I am finding it more and more difficult to seperate my opinion of Rose from my opinion of fandom. This is not a good thing for Rose.
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Date: 2006-05-26 07:10 am (UTC)YES!!!
That's my biggest problem too at the moment. Glad I'm not the only one.