Random Torchwood shizzle, yo...

[tencrush]

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  The question attached to the picture: Do they just keep those cyberschematics hanging around the autopsy bay to annoy Ianto? Do they point at them and go "LOL!" every once in a while?



• Darryn says his ideal Season Three of Torchwood would get rid of everyone except Tosh and bring in Martha's sister and a character from Season One, in other words, and I quote: "Tish, Tosh, Denby-Ashe and a strapon."



• What I've read now about episode 11 and the rest of the season... meh. Whatever. I give up.

That was it, really. I don't know why I even bothered.

Comments

[qthewetsprocket.livejournal.com]

gah...this is the second time in the same week that everyone on my f'list is raving about a spoiler i've somehow managed to miss.

*looks through torch_wood and can't find anything*

help pls?

[tencrush]

Umm, I think it was from the forums at TWOP. Basically, this rumoured Jack/Ianto in ep 11 is NOT a bedscene, but a quickie knee-trembler in the Hub. Which is exactly what I was afraid it would be and baffles me because I thought they were building up to giving the relationship some substance.

Oh, and it transpires Andy was in love with Gwen. Because EVERYONE'S in love with Gwen, obviously.

Except Ianto. Who's in love with Jack. I bet they don't even allow him the dignity of being the one to end it. FAIL.

why does a bed-scene have more substance....

[(Anonymous)]

....to you? Not getting your beef really.
A world-saving prime-time action hero is officially having it off with his sidekick. I don't care where that is - bed, desk, whatever.....it's all good (to me),

max.

(And saying RTD has a responsibility to show only healthy, wonderful gay relationships (with any complexity or fucked-upness smoothed out) is like saying black writers are only allowed to write black characters who are "role models". That's tokenism in my book.)

Tosh got a scene in bed with Tommy

[(Anonymous)]

That wasn't a long-term thing.

Re: Tosh got a scene in bed with Tommy

[tencrush]

No, but it was sweet. Romantic, even? If Tosh had hoiked her skirt up, pushed her knickers to one side and spread her legs on the autopsy table as a token of her feelings for the boy, I'd have interpreted her feelings rather differently. I'd have thought her interest was PURELY CARNAL. Which is and has been for the past few weeks, exactly MY FUCKING POINT.

I'm not BEING SHOWN anything to tell me this relationship is anything other than PURELY CARNAL, while I AM being shown that IANTO IS OBVIOUSLY IN LOVE WITH JACK. The idea of that makes me uncomfortable, and if you've ever been in a relationship or known anyone in a relationship where they want love but they'll settle for sex, you'll know why.

Re: why does a bed-scene have more substance....

[tencrush]

I never said RTD had any such obligation, in fact I've stated several times he has no such obligation at all.

What I've been waiting for is tangible proof that there was more to this relationship than a boss fucking his infatuated, hero-worshipping subordinate over a desk. Because I think it makes said boss look like a bit of a manipulative, abusive arsehole. Bed scene, date, dinner, conversation, anything. Apparently that's not going to happen.

[erinnthered.livejournal.com]

Have you read the latest from DWF on 11. It's positive. Very positive.

http://www.doctorwhoforum.com/showpost.php?p=5657664&postcount=977

Jack & Ianto scene very much says "we are an item" and you get the idea that Jack has 'moved on' from Gwen now. When Gwen walks in one them its very much played as if this is very much NOT part of Gwen's world but J&I's.
I think you'll be impressed by the er... action ;-)

and both are very proactive in the story.
For very different reasons...

I don't want to go into any details on this episode cos it is terrific and very very 'unraveling mystery' so spoilers would really ruin it I think.

Not long to go!

He also said Gwen's actions are really questioned. I'm liking this more and more.

In fact, that silly bouquet thing has me thinking the subtext I saw in SB might have actually, you know, been subtext and not my eyes seeing it through Janto-colored glasses. Or I am just seeing things. It's really crazy. I'm not a shipper by nature, but I really want to see those crazy kids give it a go.

[tencrush]

I'm not a shipper, either. In fact, I haven't really been this invested in a televisual show, ever. For some reason I care about this relationship and I'd like to see it go somewhere. Men, eh? Why can't they just get it right the first time?

[erinnthered.livejournal.com]

It's been a while wince I've been this invested....well, except Doctor Who. But I've been invested in that since I was about four years old, so I consider it a part of my personality. On the other hand, no matter how much the Rose/10 thing annoyed me (Sorry, Jamie is the only OTP the Doctor will ever have. Slashy or not.), I still didn't want to lock RTD in a room and yell at him because he just didn't get it!! I still kind of understood where it came from. There was a solid backstory. I just felt it went too far.

The thing I don't get is, it seems that they recognized really early how good the GDL/JB chemistry was. And they started acting on it pretty fast (the episode 4 kiss of life). So, why did they even bother with all this Jack/ Gwen stuff if no one really saw it to begin with? At least, not after episode 3. It just makes them all look like assholes. The characters, the writers, the producers, and even the actors for going along with it.

And the "it really isn't meant to be romantic" thing only goes so far. That may be true, but lots of people can and have reasonably interpreted that stuff to be romantic, so it might as well be.

Where is Uncle Rusty's head anyway? Maybe he's got it shoved so far up the Doctor's ass he can't see that he's letting the mothership hurt its spin-offs. And that just makes me not happy with Doctor Who, and nothing is supposed to do that. Ever. I feel like he's taking away my possible enjoyment of season 4.

And all this over fake, television relationships. I feel like a mad woman over this show sometimes.

[tencrush]

Like Nostalgia said somewhere, Russell seems to have this thing of wanting to make the heroes approachable and human, and he seems to constantly do this by making them conflicted about those they love a la Rose/Mickey, Gwen/Rhys and indeed Jack/Ianto. Why he thinks making people come off as cheating bitches will endear them to us, I have no idea.

[chocolate-and-i.livejournal.com]

The thing I don't get is, it seems that they recognized really early how good the GDL/JB chemistry was. And they started acting on it pretty fast (the episode 4 kiss of life). So, why did they even bother with all this Jack/ Gwen stuff if no one really saw it to begin with? At least, not after episode 3. It just makes them all look like assholes. The characters, the writers, the producers, and even the actors for going along with it.

I think that they (alliterating much?)needed to trow a bone to "homophobicly" inclined part of the audience in order to not to loose them. As frustrated as I am by that whole Gwen's "humanity" angle(read: I will screw with Owen, pine for exciting boss, but go back home to "borin, reliable Rys- cuz I'm human dam it!)
I can understand PTB desire to appeal to the wider audience, It doesn't mean that I don't cringe every time I see a meaningful, emotional scene between the two of them. *Jack you asshole, you should be sharing that crap with -looking good in the suit but better with out it-Ianto*

And on the other note, I don't think that actors have much saying in what direction their characters are taken.

[rowanswhimsy.livejournal.com]

Between holding up a wedding dress and catching a bouquet, there's obviously something going on. I can't figure out if we're supposed to think Ianto wants a commitment from Jack or if the writers are teasing the fans about wanting a commitment from Jack.

[tencrush]

Yeah, between that and them standing at the end of the aisle in FOOTR, I'd be tempted to say the powers that be were trying to do something subtle and clever, but I have trouble giving them credit for that. I just find it hard to believe they could be behind something so subtle and clever whilst at the same time being behind such monumentally stupid things as RapeSpray, RapeSprayRedux and Gwen/Owen. What am I supposed to believe here???

[rowanswhimsy.livejournal.com]

I wish I could believe that the subtext is screaming 'They are a committed couple! They are in lurve! It's not all avant garde sexytiems!' but I have no faith. Especially since Ianto is apparently a clone of a past Jack lover.

[rowanswhimsy.livejournal.com]

Summary of Series 2 Jack/Ianto:

Ep 1: Jack attempts to resume sekrit sexytiems at work. Ianto declines. Jack asks for a date.

Ep 2: Jack and Ianto flirt. Growling ensues. Crickets chirping re: date.

Ep 3: Ianto seeks reassurance that Jack won't leave for better, omnisexytiems in parts unknown. Jack reassures Ianto that he loves them all and wouldn't change a thing. Ianto attempts to remove Jack's tonsils with his tongue. Sexytiems resume.

Ep 4: Ianto tries to pretend that Jack isn't going batshit insane over losing Gwen to Rhys.

Ep 5: Ianto confesses to Jack that he has found new meaning through work...and Jack. Few remain in doubt that Ianto loves his Jack not just for sexytiems but for all times. Jack mimics the sound of crickets chirping but kisses his beloved disciple in whom he is well pleased on his forehead.

Ep 6 - 13: Non-sekrit sexytiems happen primarily off camera, presumably at work, but with a running commentary from the team. Ianto continues to insist it's not just sexytiems while catching bouquets and modeling bridal gowns. Jack mimics the sound of crickets chirping.

I freely admit that I'm assuming facts not fully in evidence about episodes 11-13. Indulge me, though. How is this relationship 'slow burn' for the series? Isn't the same relationship they had last series except now the team knows about it? Or am I crazy?

[tencrush]

I always assumed the date took place between 1 and 2. But then, on the other hand, they're making us ASSUME an awful lot, which is my major gripe. It does seem to have degenerated back into sexytaims at work, which is what it was last season. If there's more to it, why make it ALL subtext, can't they at least give us one bloody line?

[off_coloratura]

When was this bouquet-catching that I missed?

[rowanswhimsy.livejournal.com]

I saw a little clip of Ianto sniffing the wedding bouquet somewhere. It didn't appear to be a manip. I wasn't really sure if that was in SB and I missed it??? Or was there something in OOTR that I missed?

[off_coloratura]

I didn't see it in either of those. At all.

[tencrush]

He's happily got his nose buried in it at the beginning of this week's mission video on the site. Then he hastily puts it away.

[off_coloratura]

*melts*

God damn you, Ianto Jones.

[tencrush]

And then he does that "Grrrr, you guys, I didn't see you there, can't you knock" face he seems to have developed especially for the mission videos.
*eats him up*

[rowanswhimsy.livejournal.com]

I found it! Apparently it was flower-sniffing (was this Gwen's bouquet?) and it was one of the Torchwood missions the BBC website.

http://mukhy0.livejournal.com/110740.html#cutid1

[off_coloratura]

NOT CANON then. *sniff*