Notes

[tencrush]

Random things:

• I like fandom because it brings me joy and if it can't bring me joy, then I can't be bothered with it. Sometimes I need to rant and rave about things because I need to get rid of the shit in my head that doesn't bring me joy. RTD doesn't bring me joy, he sucked the joy out of Who for me a good two seasons ago and now he's sucked the joy and life out of Torchwood as well. Sorry if that opinion offends you, I don't agree with the opinion of everyone I talk to, and I don't expect everyone I talk to to agree with mine. Let's agree to disagree and leave it at that. If you can't do that, then fine. Go away. Fandom =/= srs bsns. Is telly shit.


• kelticbanshee ia looking for transcripts of the pre-CoE interviews at NY ComicCon with Eve Myles and Euros Lyn, and at Torchsong with GDL, JB and whoever else was there (well... there-ish). If you were there, give her a shout, guys. It's important research and that.


• Things that do give me joy: £480 pounds for a pony already! You people rock my world and I fucking love you. Honestly. THAT'S what I'M talking about.


• Can I just reiterate for all you people who are all excited about Torchwood Series 4 now: JACK IS NOT IN IT. Mark my words. When it happens and you get all sads about that, I'll point back here at this post and laugh just a little bit. But not AT you, WITH you. And then we will cry and have a drink together like friends, yeah? Because I do love you all. Really, I do.

Comments

[nostalgia-lj.livejournal.com]

I am sort of pleased but not overjoyed about Moar Torchwood, in that I would have been fine with CoE was the end of it albeit with occasional wails of "why weren't you good before you all got fired?!" I can't quite imagine it without Jack but I'd probably watch it anyway. Actually I can't imagine how Gwen is going to be in it, what with the baby and all. It's not really the best job for parents, as proved by Jack and Alice.

[ceindreadh.livejournal.com]

If Jack isn't in S4, I suppose at least we're not going to be quite as blindsided as it as we some of us were about Ianto's death.

After all, the BBC are surely going to announce who's going to be cast in the show well in advance.

[dune-drd.livejournal.com]

My money's on Doctorish guest starrring of Jack... would make sense.

[hanuueshe.livejournal.com]

Except, he'll likely become a very dark deus ex machina, killing children and popular character because Gwen is HUMAN and, of course, wouldn't, because humans can't make difficult decisions for the greater good without becoming EVIL.

[lorelei-chase.livejournal.com]

The only thing which brings me joy relating to Torchwood at the moment is hearing RTD having to justify himself and trying to make himself sound unperturbed by all the furore when really he's pissed off that people aren't bowing down and worshipping at his feet. That amuses me greatly because it's akin to a toddler throwing a tantrum on floor of a supermarket.

Then again, I've never been a fan of the direction in which his writing and producing goes, especially when it comes to sickly favouritism of characters made all the more galling when he lambasts us for daring to like a character he's not that bothered about ...

I'm going to take his advice and watch Supernatural instead because he can't bollocks that up. Only wise thing he's ever said ;-)

Anyway, I'd be surprised if Series 4 actually happens. No doubt the Beeb will drop it when the casual viewers who watched S3 forget that Torchwood exists and the core viewers have long since pissed off.

[celestina5be.livejournal.com]

Someone on ONTD is liveblogging the DW panel on SDCC and some very nervous girl asked if RTD had any plans for TW.

Anwer : he has lots he says - but there'll be more about that in the Torchwood panel this afternoon - but "When you're dead you're dead. Sorry".

Nice way to rub it in, bastard.

[tencrush]

Unless you're Rhys, or Suzie, or Owen, or John Simm's Master. But when you're Ianto and you're dead, you're dead. That's what happens when you become more popular than my Sue.

[lorelei-chase.livejournal.com]

He is a charming soul, isn't he.

All his recent comments have made for interesting reading. You see, I'd have respect for him as a writer and producer if he had respect for we as viewers and fans. We could disagree on our ideas of what makes good viewing, but so long as there was that respect, it's all fine and we can be adults. But to try and belittle us all for engaging with his creations and daring to disagree shows someone with a little bit of a god complex ...

But bastard is a better way of putting it ;-)

Will be interested in hearing what comes out of the panel. I hasten to disagree with the "when you're dead you're dead" comment. Er, Rhys, Rose, Jack, The Master ... how many more instances can we think of of dead not being dead in the DW/TW universe?

[love-jackianto.livejournal.com]

'Then again, I've never been a fan of the direction in which his writing and producing goes, especially when it comes to sickly favouritism of characters made all the more galling when he lambasts us for daring to like a character he's not that bothered about...'
You and me both.

'No doubt the Beeb will drop it when the casual viewers who watched S3 forget that Torchwood exists and the core viewers have long since pissed off.'
Oh man, the casual viewers would leave in droves if they had to wait 14-months between series 3 and 4.

[kelticbanshee]

The only thing which brings me joy relating to Torchwood at the moment is hearing RTD having to justify himself and trying to make himself sound unperturbed by all the furore when really he's pissed off that people aren't bowing down and worshipping at his feet. That amuses me greatly because it's akin to a toddler throwing a tantrum on floor of a supermarket.

Thank you for that! I did need something that made me smile, and that did. Big time. Thank you, thank you, thank you! :)

[love-jackianto.livejournal.com]

JACK IS NOT IN IT. Mark my words. When it happens and you get all sads about that, I'll point back here at this post and laugh just a little bit. But not AT you, WITH you.
I'll remember this post when it happens.

[love-jackianto.livejournal.com]

'At the risk of sounding crass, this is why I'm glad my interest in all things Who/TW begins and ends with Ianto.'
Glad to see I'm not the only one. I've said that the episode where Ianto gets killed will be the last episode of Torchwood I'd ever watch (and it was).

[kelticbanshee]

Wow, I'm being referenced again *blushes* And labelled "important research". Oh, goodness me, I'll have to document all of this properly. Not that I'm not doing it already, but, you know, more thoroughly. After all, we all know how important it is to be able to walk up to someone and say "on such day, at such convention, you said, and I quote", how it gives a lot of weight to whatever you are saying.

Do I send you the bribing cookies now, or later in private? LOL No, seriously, no bribing going here, I'm genuinely touched that you are broadcasting my requests! :)

And, yeah, I think you may be right about Jack not being in it. Or, if he is in it, it won't be Jack as we know him... :(

[kel-reiley.livejournal.com]

i'd prefer jack not be in it
they broked jack
it should be all new ppl that i don't care about(and can place bets on who's going to kick the bucket first)

[love-jackianto.livejournal.com]

'(and can place bets on who's going to kick the bucket first)'

We could make it into a drinking game!

[celestina5be.livejournal.com]

TW panel at SDCC liveblogging.

Russell T seized control: "I made the decision: it was the best thing for the story, and it just had to happen. Blame me if you like - my show. He's dead, he's not coming back. Sorry, but that's it. Blame me."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/culture/tvandradioblog/2009/jul/26/doctorwho-comic-con

[kuroi-hemlock.livejournal.com]

"I made the decision: it was the best thing for the story, and it just had to happen."

The grand scheme of RTD inflated ego does not equal a story.

[neadods.livejournal.com]

Considering what he turned Jack into, I think I'd be happier with a Torchwood that didn't have Jack in it to screw up.

[michele659.livejournal.com]

Why do you say that Jack won't be in it? Not that it matters to me,because I won't watch it without Ianto(and the thought of the Gwen and Jack interaction being even more focused on than it is already makes me ill),but I'm curious.
Do you think John doesn't want to come back? He seems to want to-although he did say he'd "better" be part of an American Torchwood,so maybe that's the plan for the character?
I hate everything about RTD and Torchwood right now. You said exactly what I've been saying. RTD sucked the joy out of it for me,and he doesn't even have the decency to respect the fans who are upset about it.
The fans who've helped him make money,and who've helped pave the way for him to even try things out in L.A.

[ella-caramella.livejournal.com]

Oh, go read this on After Elton

http://www.afterelton.com/TV/2009/7/buffy-versus-torchwood

Buffy/Torchood: which did a better job killing its gay character

[radiant-pip.livejournal.com]

I thought only crazed fans could think it was a stupid and pointless death. How can this be...?

[fide-et-spe.livejournal.com]

I commented on your RTD post about your prescience, and I won't doubt it again. Just to say though, £565 for the pony! Bloody Hell, and I hope it makes 1000. I really think that when it has raised the max, it would be really good to somehow make sure RTD knows about it, because his coffee comments were just vile, he chose not to mention the fundraising, and nice of JB to mention, but also a bit wet.

[(Anonymous)]

Congratulations on raising 600 pounds for Ianto's pony. Well done!

If RTD had any class, he'd acknowledge the fan support instead of trying to downplay the numbers, but then we all know he's a lying liar who lies. I think this, and Children in Need prove that point very nicely.