And seriously, guys...

[tencrush]

SHE'S HIS FUCKING WIFE!!

She's not Rose, she's not Jenny, she's not the Rani, she's not Romana. River Song is the Doctor's wife from the future. She's going to die in the next episode. He will spend all that time with her, doing all that funstuff in her diary, knowing precisely how and when she will inevitably die.

Paradoxes, inevitability, fate, curse of a Time Lord... Jesus Christ to hear fandom talking you'd think they'd never seen a Moffat episode before.

EDITED TO ADD SOMETHING I POSTED IN THE COMMENTS: I don't understand what everyone's so worked up about, she's not the next companion, she's his lover/wife from some point in the future. We'll more than likely never see her again. It's about time travel and the weirdness involved. It's about the Doctor losing the woman he loves, BEFORE HE LOVES HER. It's about her dying in the arms of a man WHO DOESN'T LOVE HER YET. It's a timey-wimey Moffat story, nothing more.

Moffat's apparent fascination with the mechanics of time travel make me tremendously excited about his tenure as boss. I think if Moffat does go for any sort of overriding story arc, it will be far more clever than Rusty's namechecking "Torchwood" every bloody episode, and will probably deal with the same themes he seems so fond of, fixed history, inevitability of events, consequences of past and future actions. I'm excited about Moffat, really I am.

Comments

[violetisblue.livejournal.com]

Wow, an actual rational, non-hateful post about River Song--so is that the second or the third sign of the impending Apocalypse?

[lo0o0ony-lauren.livejournal.com]

Just dropping in from who_daily to say, yeah, that's exactly how I feel as well.

[jaydk.livejournal.com]

I'm not sure how anyone could know definitively that this character and storyline will or won't be picked up again -- especially since the guy who came up with the character is the one who'll be running the show in the next full series.

And while I agree that the Doctor has and will have many significant relationships in his full and varied life, we've never met his spouse before -- so that does certainly stand out as unique thus far, because we haven't in fact seen him married half a dozen times before. If we're left at the end of the episode knowing that someday the Doctor is going to take a step we haven't seen him take in 40-odd years of TV history, I dunno, pretty significant in my book, and hard not to keep in mind while watching other future relationships develop. "Sure, he seems to love him/her/it -- but that's not the one he marries!"

Re: He doesn't handle loss well.

[gillyp.livejournal.com]

I'm not saying Song's not his wife, I don't know who she is - none of us know for sure till we've seen Saturday's eppy. I believe she may well be.

I was responding to the 'doesn't handle loss' remark. He's left dozens of companions behind. He's seen millions die. If nothing else, he's learned to handle loss. He might not like it, but he certainly handles it, has handled it , will doubtless continue to do so.

And I'm really not of the opinion that he gets involved with companions the way the shippers seem to think for the very reason that he knows he's certain to outlive any true (non immortal *g*) human by centuries.

[fading-xhopex.livejournal.com]

I have to agree with you on this, and I haven't even seen the whole of the episode, but your speculation from what I've seen of River seems bang on. Also, I read on IMDB, which means it could be wholly inaccurate, that Jenny was originally going to stay dead, but Moffat specifically asked her to be revived.

Also, I LIKED River. It could be the actress, it could be I think her character is interesting. I've been getting annoyed with the bashing. Seems to be a shipper thing. and I didn't think she was stepping on Donna's toes. One thing I think people forget, because we can associate more with the companion than the Doctor, the show is still about HIM!

That points to me thinking that the Doctor's new companion just might be his daughter.

And you're not the only one excited about moffat taking over

[prettyradio.livejournal.com]

maybe, in the future, he'll only do all that stuff because when he sees her next, he'll pity her because she dies in the next episode. Just a theory of thought of after reading this.

[casirafics.livejournal.com]

Short form: thank you. ;)

[becky-da-wolf.livejournal.com]

Finally some on said it. It's nice to speculate but sometimes this fandom needs a good, hard, Donna-style slap.

[suchaprettyred.livejournal.com]

I agree with your theory completely, even though I really don't want to believe it.

Mostly because River Song has thus far managed to irritate the shit out of me, and also because quite obviously, the Doctor's future involves him sexing up Rose for the next 80 or so years that she lives and then promptly deciding to never date anyone else for the rest of time. :]

Lol.

[cirrocumulus.livejournal.com]

THE SPOILERS

I HAVE ONLY SEEN UP TO 4x06 SO FAR

D:

Really, why did I decide to watch the episodes as they air in the US? I might have to go on a binge after finals and catch up on the episodes.

[gloriatraveler.livejournal.com]

I don't know if it will play out that way, but I truly hope it does. I like this better than everything else I've heard.

timey wimey

[(Anonymous)]

Sorry about the anon posting...but I just couldn't resist contributing to this debate. Anyway, I just think that it would be really awesome if we found out that River Song has seen the Doctor die (he CAN die, remember?)...and that the Doctor sees River Song die. After all, she did comment that she couldn't believe how young he looked, so obviously she has seen him in a much older incarnation/s. She also has his sonic screwdriver and the "squareness gun". Anyway I am probably wrong and have probably missed something...but there you go!

[fiducia.livejournal.com]

THANK YOU!!! I've been banging my head against the fandom wall over this since I saw the episode. The Doctor is allowed to love someone other than Rose. The Doctor is allowed to have lived a life with someone other than Rose. Don't get it twisted. I loooove me some Rose. I loooove me some Rose/Doctor. What I'm getting about a too-full dose of is the fandom's inability to give the plot point that is River Song (cuz that's all she is...an interesting plot point) a chance.

I even liked her!! She seemed the sort that the Doctor would like and I think she was beautifully acted to boot. HA!

[luxurias-slave.livejournal.com]

I guess I can't stand the idea of future doctor being domesticated. could be true, it would piss off alot of doctor/rose fans though if it's true

[tencrush]

Well, he's quite blatantly not living with her, to the extent that she needs a book of notes to keep up with where/when he is. So he's obviously not that domesticated.

[tencrush]

Well, he hardly seems the type for a pity shag, but I reckon there will be some inevitable timey-wimey involved. Maybe she has to die now in order for her to meet him in the first place, something like that.

[tencrush]

Oh, fuck, I'm sorry, I was righteously angry. It's just that there's a woman in it who flirts with him a bit, you know? It drives me up the fucking wall the way that fact always brings out the batshit crazy Drose shippers and the asexualists and together they start incoherently babbling at each other about how the woman must obviously be a regenerated Master from an alternate reality. I mean, for fuck's sake.

[midnightzstorm.livejournal.com]

I really like your theory. I hope its right.

[off_coloratura]

And I projectile vomit at the screen. Holy Cheese.

[katie-libertine.livejournal.com]

It's about the Doctor losing the woman he loves, BEFORE HE LOVES HER. It's about her dying in the arms of a man WHO DOESN'T LOVE HER YET. It's a timey-wimey Moffat story, nothing more.

I would really love for this to happen (it would be SO. DRAMATIC. omg)...if only I could summon up an ounce of positive feelings towards River Song. Some combination of the writing and the actress's performance have me feeling like all is not as it seems in Riversongland. There's something distinctly sinister about her. I hope it's not just bad acting (or me being shallow...she's not too pleasant to look at if you know what I mean). It would be so cool if she turned out to be a villian.

[bending-sickle.livejournal.com]

Here from [Unknown site tag].

I completely agree with your theory. Also, if I may just point out the novel The Time Traveler's Wife (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Time_Traveler%27s_Wife)? It's bang-on what the whole Doctor&River situation seems to be.

[bending-sickle.livejournal.com]

* who_daily

[kittylair.livejournal.com]

I purposely stayed away from all WHO fandom for a week to see if I was right and see if I found anyone else who was.
Congrats! And I agree totally.

The only time she'd hear his real name... when you have to pledge your love to someone in a vow. *smiles* Totally brilliant.