Huh.

[tencrush]

I went to post a comment somewhere and found I'd been banned from someone's journal. I've never been banned from anyone's journal before, and I quite like the person in question and don't recall ever having had a disagreement with them of any kind. Random defriendings by people who I thought were my actual friends I can deal with, but banning? Wow. Ouch.

Speaking of which, this is kind of where I am at the moment:

• There's not a lot of joy for me left in Whovian fandom. I'll probably post something later about how much I hated Waters of Mars. I have no desire to watch anything RTD has produced or DT stars in, and I am only just managing to hold on to a scrap of enthusiasm for when Moffat and Smith come in. I hate Russell, I hate everything he's ever written, I think he's awful. His insistence on bringing all this emotional manpain and trauma into these shows that used to just be a joyful experience for me and, in the case of Who, for my kids, has ruined my fannish experience. I want the last three years of my life back, I wish I'd never started watching Torchwood, I wish I'd stopped watching Who. I don't need television that pisses me off and makes me sad, that's not what I watch television for. Fuck you Russell, I hope LA chews you up and spits you out and fucks you in the ass with a pointy stick.


• Ianto did make me happy for quite a few years, which is why I'm working on a last epic picspam of my favourite teaboy doing shit. I hope to have it done in a week or two.


• I'm also working on something of a personal project celebrating Torchwood Series One and Two, which I hope to tell you more about in the coming weeks. Or maybe I'll just abandon it.


• I was hoping to do a Christmas push on the Ianto Jones Wants a Pony campaign, but the Lluest Horse and Pony Trust's continued inability to update me is starting to annoy me a bit, so maybe I'll leave it. After Christmas, I'm done promoting it because I think I've done enough. I'll leave it up, of course.


• Any takers for ninja_teaboy may give me shout here or in PM. I'm putting it up for adoption per January 1st. If there's no-one interested, I'll close it down.


• Oh, in case you were wondering, no. If there is a new series of Torchwood, I won't be watching it, as I don't really like Gwen, or Jack. I liked Tosh and Ianto and I quite enjoyed disliking Owen. I liked Ianto, I liked Tosh, I liked the Hub, the embossed SUV, the pteranodon, the old ladies, the poodles, the victorian lesbianism, the cyberbikinis and that stupid fucking invisible lift. In fact, I loved all those things. Apparently I loved those things far too much. Those things are all gone, so there's nothing for me to come back to. Not that there will be a new series.


• It's been really fun, people, but if you've friended me for Torchwood content, please, feel free to defriend me in the coming weeks, I won't be offended. I am completely spent. Done. Thanks, Rusty.

Comments

[hel-bee.livejournal.com]

I enjoyed the TW fandom for a a while, but I think earlier this year I'd sort had enough and was hoping that series 3 would relight by fannish desire - unsurprisingly it didn't, in fact it had quite the opposite affect. So I can certainly understand where you're coming from here.

I've meeet some really nice folks, and keep in touch via their journals even though I've slipped silently away (not that I'd bee missed tbh LOL), and if ok with you I'd like to keep my on my flist also :)

BTW - I'm obviously a interweb luddite as I didn't even know you could ban someone from posting to your journal!

[as1mplegirl.livejournal.com]

Waters of Mars might be okay. It's the finale I'm worried about. It'll be one of his grand epic things which he can't end properly, probably filled with emo!manpain for the Doctor. God knows what'll happen to Donna. And we'll probably see a typically Doctor Who Jack and typical Doctor treatment of him. The former will be crap unless it's a pre-COE Jack and the latter will be crap whatever.

[caledonius72.livejournal.com]

Oh. CRAP!

http://www.denofgeek.com/television/362272/russell_t_davies_torchwood_series_4_to_start_to_move_in_january.html

Will the last one to leave, turn out the light?

Interesting to read some of the comments to the article - the depressingly usual arguments of "you're wrong and I'm right" and split right down the line - there are no grey areas in terms of loving or hating CoE.

Rusty wrote a money spinner for Aunty Beeb in the form of CoE so they'll let him play with his toys again, even if he breaks some of them. The fan's reaction to CoE is neither here nor there for them, if they lose some fans then they'll gain some more. As long as TW continues to get good ratings and sell well overseas then it'll get comissioned.

[tencrush]

That's the same cheap soundbite from TV Guide that's been doing the rounds everywhere for two weeks now, it means nothing. Russell's keenness to whore himself out everywhere spouting overenthused shit about a possible series 4 is one of the reasons I firmly believe there is NO series 4 on the cards anywhere. He'd be busy negotiating and shutting the fuck up about it if there was, it's just manipulation on his part.

[as1mplegirl.livejournal.com]

In reality. All he's actually said is that he hopes the BBC will give him the money to start series 4 in January. There's no definitive confirmation that they actually will.

[neadods.livejournal.com]

I quite like the person in question and don't recall ever having had a disagreement with them of any kind.

FWIW, that's happened to me too. The general advice to me was to ask them why, but I was too much of a wuss to do so. I finally worked out that I'd been banned in solidarity; I had offended a good friend of theirs and my apology was accepted by neither.

these shows that used to just be a joyful experience for me ... I don't need television that pisses me off and makes me sad, that's not what I watch television for

I'm with you there too. However, I still have producers that I loathe far more than RTD, and I have great hopes for the Moffat seasons, so I'm viewing the last three RTD episodes mostly as things that must be dealt with before the fun begins.

I hope LA chews you up and spits you out

Did he actually go after all that? I got the impression that his move to LA was much like the reported TW S4; *he* talks about it, but there's no empirical evidence.

[hamsterfur.livejournal.com]

Yes, he's been living in Venice, CA for a few months.

[tencrush]

I would send them a pmail through LJ to ask, but it seems I can't do that either. :(

the part where I ramble... don't mind me.

[mslauren2930.livejournal.com]

I'm not defriending you until you close this down altogether.

I'll always wonder if "Torchwood" could've survived longer had it had an overarching story and better writers. "Supernatural" reminds me of TW a lot. it's got a pretty flimsy premise, one that allows it to be a one year show every year (I think it's lived on the brink of cancellation for most of its life), but it's always got an arc that spans the year but (at least until recently) hasn't ended in a cliffhanger, so if the show got canceled it would be okay. (holy run-on sentences, Batman!) they also have the requisite monster-of-the-week episodes. if only someone like Kripke could take over TW, or remake it, I'll bet it would be a show we could enjoy and have for several years. but... we'll never know...

as for wishing to have never seen "Torchwood," I can't imagine feeling that way. I'd have never fallen for Ianto and that was worth it, even with his sucky death.

Re: the part where I ramble... don't mind me.

[love-jackianto.livejournal.com]

'I'll always wonder if 'Torchwood' could've survived longer had it had an overarching story and better writers.'
Probably. One of things I've always disliked about Torchwood is that each series (and even episodes) seemed to take place vacuum; when Mary was gotten rid of Tosh being a lesbian was never mentioned again (I'll never forgive them for that one), Billis just disappeared and what happened to The Sleepers again? That's just sloppy writing.

'if only someone like Kripke could take over TW, or remake it, I'll bet it would be a show we could enjoy and have for several years.'
I second that. It would give his 'gay love can save the world' line a whole new meaning! :D

[flohkatie.livejournal.com]

Can I friend you? But I'm really not a livejournal person, Ionly have an account to comment once in a while.

I totally feel your TW/Rusty hate. You said it so much better than I could, but it pisses me off to no end that he can use precious TV time and money to wallow in his own misery. At least I have no desire whatsoever to watch any more of his crap. Lucky for me I never watched DW.

[wiley-nilly.livejournal.com]

I'll be here as long as you are, mon petite fleur.

[love-jackianto.livejournal.com]

'If there is a new series of Torchwood, I won't be watching it'
Same here. I stuck with Torchwood because I had hoped the writing would get better, but now that RTD has proven he can't even keep one plotline from having massive plotholes (and he has to resort to killing characters off to cover them up said plot holes) a series 4 just leaves me going MEH. I have better things to do with my time than watch a badly written, depressing sci-fi show that may or may not have nothing but straight relationships in it; Jack/Ianto never seemed nearly as important to RTD as Gwen/Rhys or even Gwen/Jack. If anything, Jack/Ianto mostly seemed like an afterthought.

'Ianto did make me happy for quite a few years, which is why I'm working on a last epic picspam of my favourite teaboy doing shit. I hope to have it done in a week or two.'
Good luck.

[venusinchains.livejournal.com]

Re: Moffat and Smith
I have more faith in Moffat than I probably should, but he wrote my all time favorite feel-good Who ending ("Everybody lives Rose! Just this once, everybody lives!"), and it wasn't something he had the Doctor pull out of his ass in the last 15 minutes. I have to hope he won't suddenly go all CoE on us. Smith I know nothing about. I'm willing to give him a chance.

I may or may not bother to illegally download and watch this past, and the last, Doctor Who special. I really don't need any more DW/TW downers right now.

Re: Russell and TW S4
RTD does seem to be ruthlessly self-promoting the idea of S4. Based on the rumors, it'll be recycling ideas that were already used in the first two seasons, things that shouldn't be a part of a post-CoE Torchwood. (I'm thinking, specifically, about a mention of Jack's frozen-in-the-blown-up-hub brother.) And people who claimed CoE was head and shoulders above anything TW that came before it are eating it up. I just don't understand.

Re: Ianto
Still love him. Can't help it. I'll be waiting for that pic spam. Hope you don't mind if I hang around a bit longer.

[love-jackianto.livejournal.com]

'Based on the rumors, it'll be recycling ideas that were already used in the first two seasons, things that shouldn't be a part of a post-CoE Torchwood. (I'm thinking, specifically, about a mention of Jack's frozen-in-the-blown-up-hub brother.) And people who claimed CoE was head and shoulders above anything TW that came before it are eating it up. I just don't understand.'
I don't get it either. Can people just not tell what bad writing is anymore?

[dune-drd.livejournal.com]

I'm really sorry to hear you can't enjoy the fandom any more :(, but I'd be more than happy to help you with ninja_teaboy should no one else volunteer.

[tigercheetah.livejournal.com]

I'd love to say that I'm never watching Torchwood again but I just know that curiosity will get the better of me, I won't be able to avoid the temptation to moan about it.

I won't be following fandom like I used to though, especially with all the JB love that just goes on and on.

Apparently Gareth's told someone at a US convention this weekend that he auditioned for the same role that David Tennant has now got in this US series and that he's proud to have even been considered for the part. There could be life in the young boy yet. :)

[hamsterfur.livejournal.com]

Oh, really? The lawyer pilot Rex, or an existing show?

[kelticbanshee]

Well, what can I say, other than the already overused "it really annoys me to see what CoE is doing to what was a fantastic fandom to be involved in", and "why is it always the people whose rants I enjoy the most that drift away from fandom when things like this happen"...

Now, if you don't mind, I'll keep you on my f-list. I'm too fond of your rants to kick you out just yet! :)

[love-jackianto.livejournal.com]

'it really annoys me to see what CoE is doing to what was a fantastic fandom to be involved in'
Same here. I know quite a few authors who left the fandom. Although if I'm completely honest with myself, I've left it too; I can't remember the last time I read TW fic or even post anything Torchwood related. *sigh*

[vertrauen.livejournal.com]

*stands in solidarity with you and your Rusty hate*

And also? You're not getting rid of me, bb. *smish*

[rexluscus.livejournal.com]

Yeah, I still read the fic, but only with the desperate listlessness of feeding an addiction. Fandom isn't fun anymore. For me, TW was a mediocre show that happened to have this one really compelling character - I wasn't watching the show so much as the character. So watching TW season 4 would make as much sense as watching any other mediocre sci-fi show I have no investment in. But you're right, it sounds like it's all talk.

Aw, I'm going to miss your rants, cockspams, and scary porn manips. Ianto being menaced by an animated cock will always be a fandom high point for me. :)

[kel-reiley.livejournal.com]

i think i've always liked torchwood, and by extension doctor who, more for the ppl i've met and the fun parts of fandom than the actual show - i'm not terribly excited about DW anymore or the prospect of more TW, though i'll probably still watch b/c, meh, i'm like that (i do hope the moffat ones will be MORE FUN)

[aviv-b.livejournal.com]

You are stuck with me! Even though we don't always agree - your psychic predictive powers are a wonder to behold! And I'd miss the snark - cause noboday does snark better than you.

I will probably just skip the last two DW specials and hope for the best with Moffat.

Its a shame that TW fiction seems to be tailing off at an alarming rate - the only reason I'd be interested in S4 would be see rewrites the episodes (or ideas from the episodes) with Tosh, Owen and Ianto.

Thanks RTD, you've not only managed to kill my love for TW, you've significantly decreased my interest in DW and anything JB does.

[51stcenturyfox.livejournal.com]

Actually, I think the fiction drop-off lately is partially due to NaNo and stuff. There are a lot of challenges and things people are working on, which just aren't out yet. There's a Big Bang, reel_torchwood, etc.

tencrush, I'm not defriending you. I do talk about a lot of fannish stuff, and I won't be hurt if you defriend me, but I think if a fandom isn't joyful for you anymore, it's time to back away or find something else you like doing.

[fide-et-spe.livejournal.com]

Thing is, I keep meaning to friend you! As I always do check out your journal, just because I'm a member of the teaboy comm and I like your rants, they make me feel so much better.

I really hope you hang around long enough to enjoy some schadenfreude when RTD gets shafted by the BBC, after all he did piss them all off, break all his toys, then run away.

Anyhow I would really like to friend you if you are dropping the comm, I see you have a volunteer to keep it going, but I definitely don't want to miss your predictions and rants.

My journal is all fannish really, so I don't expect you to friend back if you are dropping TW, although when I say fannish, I mean denial and cynicism.

[love-jackianto.livejournal.com]

'I really hope you hang around long enough to enjoy some schadenfreude when RTD gets shafted by the BBC, after all he did piss them all off, break all his toys, then run away.'
I would love some schadenfreude where RTD is considered. I do have to wonder though, according to RTD series 4 is as good as produced (I just think he's talking out his hat), but I also heard that he burned a lot of bridges at the BBC and he loves being in America. He even went so far as to say that American writers are more professional than British ones (the British hang out in pubs all the time). I guess we'll just have to wait and see if he comes back. Personally the only way I would be interested in more TW is if he DIDN'T write it.

[aviv-b.livejournal.com]

So I stumbled upon this entry from RM. I'd love to hear what you think of the analysis and comments here. (Not taking sides, not trying to start a fandom fight, haven't seen, just trying to figure out if its worth watching - or if its just going to piss me off).

http://rm.livejournal.com/1753892.html

Do you see what they are getting at or no?

[tencrush]

Nope, I have a great deal of trouble seeing what rm is getting at most days. It's not that deep and meaningful, and anyone who wants to impose THAT MUCH ARTISTRY onto Doctor Who has to be mildly delusional. They don't think about anything to that extent. Jack's going to have a bit part in the regeneration specials and the events of CoE will not even be referenced, they CAN'T be, given the target audience and they WON'T be alluded to given the incoherence of the writing. I appreciate how she can see all these wonderful things, but seriously, she hasn't watched enough New Who to know that it's all just random bollocks, followed by an hour-long show on BBC3 wherein Russell explains to us how brilliant he is.

[alba17.livejournal.com]

I look forward to your Ianto picspam and I really hope you do your project on S1 and 2 of TW. I'm going to keep you on my flist. I'm feeling a tad distracted from TW fandom myself - my slashy needs are being met by Merlin primarily, although I think TW still owns my soul. I will watch any new TW out of curiosity if nothing else. But I love Jack, so I must watch anything with him in it. He BETTER be in it. I'm really not interested in Gwen, honestly.

Off topic: are you planning to watch the rest of Dollhouse?

[tencrush]

Umm, yeah, I am. I'm quite gutted it's been cancelled, I was sort of getting into it. But I can kind of understand why, it's been a bit slow coming off the ground, and I have to say watching Epitaph One actually clinched my love for the show, and most people won't have seen that, so I get it, yeah. But I'll be watching. It's on hiatus for a few weeks, isn't it?

[timberwolfoz.livejournal.com]

I friended you initially for the pithy commentary/common sense and the TW discussion. The pithy c-c remains, even if you're moving away from TW/Who. So if it's all right with you, I'm staying. ;)

Interestingly enough, I seem to be moving away from TW/Who roughly in tandem with your good self, even though I didn't bother watching the latest (especially since it would have required a download, and given your review & others, I decided to save my bandwidth).

Meanwhile, I've happily wandered over to Lewis. Pretty Oxford scenery, eye candy in the form of Kevin Whately (who still has damned good legs 20 years on) and Laurence Fox (who, it transpires, is married to Billie Piper. Six degrees & all that). Recommended for the slashiness alone. ;)