The awesome Toshiko Sato
Aug. 4th, 2009 01:35 pm![[personal profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png)
A QUESTION FOR MY TORCHWOOD PALS REGARDING TOSH IN GREEKS BEARING GIFTS

[Poll #1439526]
The reason I ask is because I am reasonably familiar with old skool lesbian pulp fiction novels (umm... here, have a brief introduction), the gist of which is usually something along the lines of an innocent girl being Tempted Into Lesbian Experimentation by an Evil Lesbian, 100+ pages of reasonably tame sex ensue until finally the innocent girl is rescued from the Evils of Sapphic Desire by a Manly Man who Forgives her her Disgusting Aberration and maybe even decides to touch her down there if the thought of it doesn't gross him out him too much. The End. Anyway, that's what Greeks Bearing Gifts was to me, a lesbian pulp novel. And I wonder if one has to be familiar with the genre in order to see it that way, or if it struck more people just generally as kind of a squicky storyline. Feel free to comment and let me know.
[Poll #1439526]
The reason I ask is because I am reasonably familiar with old skool lesbian pulp fiction novels (umm... here, have a brief introduction), the gist of which is usually something along the lines of an innocent girl being Tempted Into Lesbian Experimentation by an Evil Lesbian, 100+ pages of reasonably tame sex ensue until finally the innocent girl is rescued from the Evils of Sapphic Desire by a Manly Man who Forgives her her Disgusting Aberration and maybe even decides to touch her down there if the thought of it doesn't gross him out him too much. The End. Anyway, that's what Greeks Bearing Gifts was to me, a lesbian pulp novel. And I wonder if one has to be familiar with the genre in order to see it that way, or if it struck more people just generally as kind of a squicky storyline. Feel free to comment and let me know.
Wasn't she looking at Gwen in Day One?
Date: 2009-08-05 07:35 pm (UTC)Yeah, it is disappointing that they went with the Evil and Dangerous storyline, though I'm still not quite sure she's Evil in addition to Dangerous, cause, her and the heart thing is a biological imperative right? ...and the pendant has a tendency to give its wearer a dark view of humanity eh?
I do like that scene here the end, where in the background, you can see Ianto and Tosh talking in another room. Ah, the "Jack killed out evil girlfriends club". If counting Adam, +1. If counting Owen and Suzie, also +1. ...and though Jack was not responsible, Owen was certainly mad at Jack when the woman he's engaged to dies, in a "you harbringer of doom" kindaway.
I'm actually much less squicked by this, then Adam, because Tosh has consent in this, she messed up, but it's her choice, and this is the kinda storylines often given to male nerds.
...and I don't think Tosh was drugged
Date: 2009-08-05 07:43 pm (UTC)From the way Mary is looking at Tosh, I think Mary did find Tosh attractive, she's certainly enjoying earth life.
What's more, we actually never seen Mary's story disproved. Her sinister part was that she eats hearts when she's hungry...and she stole the original woman's body...BUT, she can still be a political prisoner, that soldier shot first, etc etc. Her fears of Torchwood not being nice to aliens can be genuine after all the human thoughts she had hurt. So Jack sending Mary to the sun? Yeah, Tosh have reasons to be really shocked over that. I don't think it'll be the last time she talks to Ianto about it.