Replacement Ramblings
Jun. 17th, 2006 04:50 pm![[personal profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png){kind=small}
tencrushOK. Nos' seems awfully worried about Replacement, and I can see her point really.
My thinkage thus far on Replacement and what needs to be taken into account and what it means and some speculation and logics:
Ten'n'Rose had UST and some sort of romantic thing going on, whatever it may have been, however one-sided or two-sided it may have been, and I'm not sure on that one but I'll happily admit that it was there, and it was obviously meant to be there as part of some sort of arc. We don't yet know how that arc will end, but it will end and that'll be it. Putting in a Replacement with the same sort of UST/romantic attachment clearly isn't going to work for several reasons:
1) It demeans Rose and her specialness. I don't agree with Rose's specialness but Rusty obviously wants me to, so there we go.
2) It sets a precedent of the Doctor only taking people he wants to shag along on his batshit adventures in time and space, which makes him look like some sort of alien space hussy, or weird old perv with a time machine, whichever one takes your fancy.
3) It's rehashing a story that has already been told once with Rose. Bored now.
4) The question of how long it takes the Doctor to get over Rose will always be out there, and whatever the answer, it'll probably end up making him look like a bit of a shit, or an alien space floozy again.
So, apparently we need someone with whom the Doctor cannot, in any way, have any UST/romance. It just doesn't seem to be possible to leave in any UST. I can't see it working anyway, there seems to be no way to throw in any romance without throwing in any or all of point 1-4.
Where does that leave us with Replacement possibilities? Well, we could get:
1) A man. But seeing as the Doctor is omnisexual, a man is no guarantee of a lack of UST. Plus: Doctor Who needs a girl. For the dads. You may find this to be sad reflection of the state of television at the moment, but it's true nonetheless.
2) A girl who is definitely 100% a lesbian. Or maybe two girls who are definitely lesbians together? I somehow don't see this one happening. Unless they are also ninja space pirates as well. The dads would like it, but no, not probable.
3) A much OLDER woman. But as Nos has proved conclusively, put Ten in a room with an older woman and the walls will just melt from the ST. Melt I tells ya!
Which leaves us with:
4) A relative. A great great granddaughter perhaps? Someone of whose existence neither we or the Doctor are, at this point in time, aware.
Now that may sound completely batshit but think about it:
*It neatly rules out the possibility of any UST.
*It tackles some of the Doctor's loneliness issues without involving any squicky romance.
*It fits in with the lonely emo last Time Lord foreshadowing thing that's been going on.
*It fits in with the "I'm a dad" hammer we're allegedly about to be hit with.
*It allows a season of unromantic adventures in time and space during which the public can get used to the Lack Of Rose, and maybe forget about her just a bit, without making the Doctor look like an asshole for getting used to the Lack Of Rose and maybe forgetting about her just a bit.
*It neatly opens up a possibility for a third companion, perhaps a boy for Replacement to have UST with? Leaving the Doctor without anyone to have UST with at all, because I'm evil like that.
And so I'm calling the "slightly somehow related to the Doctor companion" for S3, perhaps after a short fake-out companion at x-mas.
Unless of course the Doctor just goes "Rose who?" at Christmas.
Which is a distinct possibility.
I'm going for a lie down now.
My thinkage thus far on Replacement and what needs to be taken into account and what it means and some speculation and logics:
Ten'n'Rose had UST and some sort of romantic thing going on, whatever it may have been, however one-sided or two-sided it may have been, and I'm not sure on that one but I'll happily admit that it was there, and it was obviously meant to be there as part of some sort of arc. We don't yet know how that arc will end, but it will end and that'll be it. Putting in a Replacement with the same sort of UST/romantic attachment clearly isn't going to work for several reasons:
1) It demeans Rose and her specialness. I don't agree with Rose's specialness but Rusty obviously wants me to, so there we go.
2) It sets a precedent of the Doctor only taking people he wants to shag along on his batshit adventures in time and space, which makes him look like some sort of alien space hussy, or weird old perv with a time machine, whichever one takes your fancy.
3) It's rehashing a story that has already been told once with Rose. Bored now.
4) The question of how long it takes the Doctor to get over Rose will always be out there, and whatever the answer, it'll probably end up making him look like a bit of a shit, or an alien space floozy again.
So, apparently we need someone with whom the Doctor cannot, in any way, have any UST/romance. It just doesn't seem to be possible to leave in any UST. I can't see it working anyway, there seems to be no way to throw in any romance without throwing in any or all of point 1-4.
Where does that leave us with Replacement possibilities? Well, we could get:
1) A man. But seeing as the Doctor is omnisexual, a man is no guarantee of a lack of UST. Plus: Doctor Who needs a girl. For the dads. You may find this to be sad reflection of the state of television at the moment, but it's true nonetheless.
2) A girl who is definitely 100% a lesbian. Or maybe two girls who are definitely lesbians together? I somehow don't see this one happening. Unless they are also ninja space pirates as well. The dads would like it, but no, not probable.
3) A much OLDER woman. But as Nos has proved conclusively, put Ten in a room with an older woman and the walls will just melt from the ST. Melt I tells ya!
Which leaves us with:
4) A relative. A great great granddaughter perhaps? Someone of whose existence neither we or the Doctor are, at this point in time, aware.
Now that may sound completely batshit but think about it:
*It neatly rules out the possibility of any UST.
*It tackles some of the Doctor's loneliness issues without involving any squicky romance.
*It fits in with the lonely emo last Time Lord foreshadowing thing that's been going on.
*It fits in with the "I'm a dad" hammer we're allegedly about to be hit with.
*It allows a season of unromantic adventures in time and space during which the public can get used to the Lack Of Rose, and maybe forget about her just a bit, without making the Doctor look like an asshole for getting used to the Lack Of Rose and maybe forgetting about her just a bit.
*It neatly opens up a possibility for a third companion, perhaps a boy for Replacement to have UST with? Leaving the Doctor without anyone to have UST with at all, because I'm evil like that.
And so I'm calling the "slightly somehow related to the Doctor companion" for S3, perhaps after a short fake-out companion at x-mas.
Unless of course the Doctor just goes "Rose who?" at Christmas.
Which is a distinct possibility.
I'm going for a lie down now.
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Date: 2006-06-17 03:08 pm (UTC)Maybe this can tie in with the Face of Boe somehow? He says 'You are not alone' and then they introduce a new character...maybe a child of Susan's?
*squee*
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Date: 2006-06-17 03:12 pm (UTC)But is it batshit? I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ANYMORE!!!
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Date: 2006-06-17 03:16 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2006-06-17 03:20 pm (UTC)Good.
I think.
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Date: 2006-06-17 03:21 pm (UTC)I see where you're coming from. But I think part of the reason why they went for a Doctor/Companion shippy thing was because I suspect 'they' reckon you can't make TV without any kind of romance in it at all. Andrew Davies was going on a while back about how all TV really came down to sex, sooner or later - and if you missed out the sex, no one would watch. You could argue that old-school Who was an example of successfully not mentioning the sex - but then given the whole 'for the dads' business of the girlie companions in the little frocks, there's been sex in Who since forever, really: just left to its own devices a bit more than now.
The family thing would fulfil the whole required 'I could save the world but lose you' thing without making us all shoot ourselves, mind. And would restore Ten to being 'nice if daffy uncle/grandad' as opposed to 'man-whore/pervert'.
Actually, in the course of writing this comment I've decided you're a genius. Seems to me they've been seeding the half-human thing through this season. And everyone's meant to be visited by the dead in the last two. What if the Doctor is too?
*suddenly wants Rose vs Susan face-off liek whoa*
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Date: 2006-06-17 03:24 pm (UTC)*goes all funny*
It's not completely batshit then?
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Date: 2006-06-17 03:28 pm (UTC)*I am trying to make sense of things in my brane*
*flails*
*h8s on Nos*
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Date: 2006-06-17 04:02 pm (UTC)The companion-based UST makes more sense, doesn't it? Means Ten can go whore it up with Reinette-types without fandom war breaking out.
Given what Rusty's good at writing (ie older women), we really should have Jackie as the new companion. She could be a sort of inefficient Jack, slutting it up but not actually being quite so confident that the entire universe will want to shag her. Alternatively, I want an Ian and Barbara-style couple, who are nice and married and hold hands and worry about each other's safety in a sort of adorable way, while Ten does Adventuring.
Maybe they should just go back to 1963 and he can start again? Ian and Barbara and Susan and Ten. Reset: starting again: second chance.
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Date: 2006-06-17 04:44 pm (UTC)I was also thinking along the Ian and Barbara lines, I definitely think it will go in the 2 companions having UST with each other direction, that seems to make the most sense to me. I don't think even Russell wants the Doctor to be a Space Slut. Though, sometimes I wonder...
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Date: 2006-06-17 04:02 pm (UTC)I approve of both the relation idea and the space lesbians.
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Date: 2006-06-17 04:46 pm (UTC)THAT'S WHAT I AM SO AFRAID OF OMG!!
I will really start to h8 on Rusty if it turns out he hasn't even slightly thought about these things what I am mentioning here. Because they are things that fandom is worried about. Well, the bits of fandom that worry about these sorts of things, anyway.
*worries*
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Date: 2006-06-17 04:15 pm (UTC)OMG SCULLY WOULD BE BEST COMPANION EVER.
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Date: 2006-06-17 04:49 pm (UTC)Mmmmm Ten/Mulder slash...
*is way distracted suddenly by dirty dirty mind*
Where the hell did that thought come from????
*goes for lie down again*
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Date: 2006-06-17 05:50 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2006-06-17 07:38 pm (UTC)Actually, what does that solve again?
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Date: 2006-06-17 07:44 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2006-06-17 07:47 pm (UTC)At least she'd swallow, though. Unlike Rose. Who spits. Apparently.
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Date: 2006-06-17 07:48 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2006-06-17 08:09 pm (UTC)He can fuck anyone he likes, but would that necessarily be a companion though? I'm more comfortable with him just randomly fucking his way through time and space, with bitches he don't take along for the ride or anything, than I am with him having another companion with whom he has UST. I don't want that to become a Theme.
OH I DON'T KNOW ANYMORE.
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Date: 2006-06-21 04:17 pm (UTC)Did you see School Reunion? The unsubtle point of that episode is that the doctor has had many special relationships with many other companions.
Rose may still think she's special, but she ain't the first and she won't be the last. Sure, she'll always be in the doctor's hearts - but, erm - so are all his other companions. Sure, she'll have her own place in the doctor's hearts - but, erm - so do all (or at least most) of his other companions.
If Rose is presented as more special than the other companions than RTD needs to have a gut check. Just because he created Rose, it doesn't mean she's "the mostest special" companion to be in the show's 28-year history. He may try to send her off in a blaze of glory in order to achieve that end, but to some of us, it's gonna' have the opposite effect and just make me totally annoyed by the Rose worship.
Because that "demeans the specialness" of all the (many) companions who went before.
hrh
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Date: 2006-06-21 08:45 pm (UTC)Since when does the show have a 28yo history? What happened in 1978? Why you gotta h8 1 2 and 3, man? What did they ever do to you?
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Date: 2006-06-22 08:11 pm (UTC)Sorry 'bout that, I wasn't referring to calendar years, but actual seasons of the show.
I don't have anything against the first 3 docs, in fact, I like the fact that they were older, so it was easier for audience members to picture them as "a hundreds of years old alien." Casting younger-looking doctors seems to really set the producer up for UST, whether he wants it or not, though RTD does seem to want it. More's the pity ...
hrh
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Date: 2006-06-22 08:19 pm (UTC)WHERE DOES TEH TVM FIT IN IN SEASON COUNTING WORLD?????
Casting David Tennant seems to produce that problem specifically in my wine-addled brane. (Oh god I done predicted I'd be hormonal for Fear Her and I was right, wasn't I?)
*flails*
I think Rusty needs to get away from UST, at least for the Doctor, that's why I'd like a sexy Ian and Barbara type thing, that would solve a whole lot of problems for me.
Are you Prince Charles?
*h8s on anonymouses*
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Date: 2006-06-23 04:30 pm (UTC)Yep, a light-hearted romance as a B-story between companions on the TARDIS could solve the supposed need (don't agree myself) of modern viewers to have a romantic angle in everything they view. I quite liked the Sarah/Harry banter from the 4th doc era. Didn't detract from the doc as the star of the show, but gave a human grounding to Tom's alien doc.
Nope, not Prince Charles, "hrh" are my actual initials so I like to get mileage out of 'em. :)
hrh
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