And now... a quiz!

[tencrush]

TORCHWOODIAN FANNISH VENNISH DIAGRAM, INSTALLMENT THE FIRST:

Gwack and Janto fangirls in venn-diagrammatic form.



QUESTION ONE: Using the following supposition, find a value for A, B, C and D.

Supposition:

Jack/Gwen shippers like to pretend that John Barrowman is just a little bit straight. For them.

[Poll #1330387]

QUESTION TWO:
IS HERE

Comments

[forgiveninasong.livejournal.com]

I can't vote on the second poll!
*weeps*

[tencrush]

My second poll is broken! I shall attempt a new second poll in a mo.

[forgiveninasong.livejournal.com]

Also, I am shit at maths, and things like this, so it looks like I got it all wrong!

[luniasta.livejournal.com]

Not voting n the second poll mostly because I think there just shouldn't be people who are not attracted to JB and I guess there are less people attracted to GDL than to JB and I think that because I believe everyone is secretly attracted to JB, then A makes sense while the other do not. Also, shipping Jack/Gwen is just stupid, so...
I lost the point, sorry.

(Also, I hope you don't mind me friending you or commenting or sth ;O)

[forgiveninasong.livejournal.com]

John Barrowman is attractive. The point of fandom and AU is so that you can play out your fantasies and live through them. Whilst I don't ship Jack/Gwen, I *can* see why people *do* and I would never get all ratty towards someone who did.

[mellacita.livejournal.com]

Jack/Gwen shippers like to pretend that John Barrowman is just a little bit straight. For them.

I'm not sure it's confined to Jack/Gwen shippers (I've met plenty of Jack/Ianto shippers with a tangible lust for teh Barrowman), but fandom for a gay man will always have a subset who fantasize they can "turn him." Some of them keep these fantasies in their heads, where they are welcome. Others (just attend a con, panto, or concert sometime) put quite a lot of effort (with, ah, varying results) into looking "hot/pretty/sexy" for JB, a man who on national television was scientifically shown as not aroused by naked female pornstars, never mind your very average fangirl.

That being said, plenty of similarly genetically ungifted fans do the same for Gareth. I would say they have no chance, since he's hot and his gf is rather pretty, but then all bets are off if he's had some booze. Never know who he will snog.

[tencrush]

genetically ungifted
LOLOLOLOLOL.

[mellacita.livejournal.com]

I only say that because I am one myself! Genetically ungifted, that is. I don't make too much of an effort to make myself gorgeous for either Gareth or John, because, really, it would take, in one case, weightloss, hair dye, and de-aging, and in the other, sex reassignment therapy and growth hormones. A lot of effort. :P

[jo02]

That would be me too.
Not to mention twice his age.
And on the other side of the planet.
Okay, now completely depressed . . .

[forgiveninasong.livejournal.com]

I do not think that I can *turn* anyone. Really! I don't *want* to turn Barrowman. At all! And even though I would quite like to have some up close and personal moments with Gareth, I do *realise* that it's 99.99999% not going to happen.

I like Jack/Ianto because it's written on the screen, and you'd be a fool to deny that it's even there. EQUALLY, even though I don't *ship* Jack/Gwen, I do realise why people *do*, because..yup, it's WRITTEN, it's THERE and if you don't see that it's there, then you're obviously watching a different show to everyone else.

Jack and Gwen can't ever happen. Gwen realised this in the time Jack had disappeared, because..Jack could do that *anytime*. He could just bugger off and leave her. That's why I think she threw herself completely to Rhys. He would always be there for her, never leave her. She realised this even more so in 'Meat'. So she didn't "settle" for him, she just...realised what she had, and came to terms with it. She could never have Jack in the way that she wanted, because eventually, he could just leave her. She knows what he's like, and he could leave. But, they do have a relationship, and an understanding.

[mellacita.livejournal.com]

But, they do have a relationship, and an understanding.

I've no doubt about that! I am not anti-Gwen. I like her, actually. I don't think she and Jack would work, but it would be hard to deny there is an attraction of some sort.

[forgiveninasong.livejournal.com]

Yeah, they wouldn't work, but it's written that there's the attraction, and of course, the Unresolved Sexual Tension.

Oh man, I could deconstruct this dynamic in the Team all day!

[tencrush]

I'm not sure it's confined to Jack/Gwen shippers
Ah, yes, the diagram is missing the overlapping circle of "Fangirls who like to pretend they could turn JB straight". This is what happens when one diagramatically represents disparate groups such as these. I said all A were B, but did not claim all B were A, you see.

[mellacita.livejournal.com]

True...not all Jack/Gwen shippers want to turn Barrowman, and not all those who want to turn Barrowman are Jack/Gwen shippers. A diagram of its own, really.

[51stcenturyfox.livejournal.com]

I think a lot of just people ship various pairings because the pretty imagery gets 'em off, too.

[51stcenturyfox.livejournal.com]

...adding that the only time I've ever met an actor who played a character I love, he was so smoking hot in person I could barely speak anyway.

It was Duchovny. Unngh!

[doyle_sb4.livejournal.com]

I think the supposition's probably true for some of the overly vocal whackjobs, but they don't equal all Jack/Gwen shippers any more than the overly vocal whackjobs on the Jack/Ianto side equal all Jack/Ianto shippers.

[dune-drd.livejournal.com]

I HAVE WRITTEN EXAMNS THAT WERE EASIER

[kurthummel.livejournal.com]

Somehow or other, I think I cracked it! And I totally suck at these. Who knew?

[shaggydogstail.livejournal.com]

Dude, circle C needs to be a whole lot bigger. Which makes bugger all sense, since Jack is infinitely more attractive and flexible than JB, but I don't make the rules. (MORE'S THE PITY!)

[tencrush]

O_o That depends on what it is you think circle C represents.

[shaggydogstail.livejournal.com]

Working on the given supposition, I would say that A is J/G shippers, B is J/I shippers, C is people who fancy John and D Gareth. ALTHOUGH it now occurs to be that it could be that A is J/I shippers, B is J/G shippers C is people attracted to John and D is people attracted to Gareth - which would make work in some ways but is not related to the original supposition and makes the lack of a 'people who fancy Eve Myles' moar curiously absent.

MAH HED HURTS OF MAFFS NAO!

[doyle_sb4.livejournal.com]

A is people attracted to John; B is people attracted to Gareth. D, the circle crossing them, is people who are attracted to them both, so Jack/Ianto shippers, while C (attracted to John but not Gareth) are the Jack/Gwen shippers.

ETA: wait, I totally screwed up why D is Jack/Ianto, since different bits of it also include 'people who only fancy John', 'people who only fancy Gareth' and 'people who fancy neither'. This bodes well for the class I'm teaching on Thursday.

[cionaudha.livejournal.com]

people who fancy neither

Surely a statistically insignificant number of people?

I would like to meet these people (or possibly only "this person"). I've never met a real pervert.

[louisema.livejournal.com]

Can I steal this icon? Please?!

[travellingone.livejournal.com]

Both are attractive. But personally? I don't do the whole, "oh my god, maybe the celeb in question will notice me" (Used to have a job where I had to talk to celebs and yes, got to meet GDL personally thanks to his guest liasion at a con) because honestly? I like to keep the wall of illusion between me and the celeb. Much easier.

[meleth.livejournal.com]

On a related note, my English student asked me to help her with geometry, at which she might possibly be even worse than at English. She couldn't figure out the Venn diagram, which was composed of three circles reading "fish owner," "cat owner," and "dog owner." This was very frustrating. I just wanted to share.

[elandev.livejournal.com]

This is brillant