One more for luck... The definitive fanon guide to Jack and Ianto, part three

[tencrush]

Before I start asking you all questions about why you answered what you answered in my big fanon polls, and start analysing exactly what it is we all think/take as read when it comes to these two characters, I have just a few more questions, amongst which are a couple I just kept forgetting to ask. It's not a long one, I promise.


[Poll #1178931]


NOW I'm done, I PROMISE.

Comments

[off_coloratura]

I'm fairly positive, from his reactions to Jack's death(s) in End of the World, that whatever else he knew about Jack, he did NOT know about the immortality.

[antelope-writes.livejournal.com]

Jack makes Carys glow gold and saves her life in Day One.

[solitary-summer.livejournal.com]

Doing it like this (sorry), because too many of my answers don't quite fit the boxes.

Japanese: not fluently, but he's really good at pretending to speak it better than he does.

Pregnant: Yes.

Psychic training: Couldn't say, I don't really remember that episode very well.

The Kiss: I'm not sure. I thought maybe yes, but there's no hint of that in the DVD commentary. And nothing glowy, either.

Jack's stint at the travelling circus: Definitely Torchwood related.

What does Ianto know about Jack:
- Fragments: not too much, I think, because pre-Canary Wharf he'd have no real reason to research Jack, and afterwards he'd have limited resources. Also, by the time Ianto joined Torchwood Jack had already taken over the Cardiff branch and probably limited contact with London to a minimum. Office gossip. What he learned from stalking Jack. Enough to know that being pretty and sexually available might get him hired. Not enough to know that being from TW1 might not.
- Day One to Cyberwoman: I think Jack completely erased his TW past before 2000 from the TW Cardiff files and archives after he took over, but Ianto might still have picked up a few hints that he'd been there for longer than that, or might have known that from TW1, which would have made him curious. He probably wouldn't have believed Jack's stories about 51st century pheromones and dinosaurs at first, but as Jack kept telling this kind of stuff, he'd have started wondering, and putting pieces together and trying to make sense of them. His thoughts would probably have been more along the lines of time travel though, and maybe he wondered if TW had a time machine somewhere that he was never told about. I don't think he knew about the immortality, he's too shocked when Owen shoots Jack in EoD. (And my personal fanon is that between S1 and 2 he found out about the Doctor and knew with whom Jack disappeared.)

The date: I think they kept planning to do it, but something always got in the way.

[tencrush]

Does he? I ask the question because I've never quite worked out what it is Jack does and whether or not we're supposed to see it as some sort of significant Thing He Can Do.

[cayendi.livejournal.com]

Actually, I think that has more to do with the sort of alien that Carys hosted, than Jack.
To that alien, Jack was a sort of unlimited power source, and the glowing was its doing.

In my opinion, if Jack really has that ability, neither Tosh, nor Owen would have needed to die, nor would Jack have had to look for the second glove to revive Owen. One kiss (well, very long kiss, maybe) would have been enough

[cayendi.livejournal.com]

I think Ianto speaks some Japanese. Maybe he learned it for Tanazaki specifically, or he just picked it up somewhere, and with his somewhat eidetic memory, it stuck.

I'm a bit vague on the psychic training, so I answered no, partly because I have no idea, partly because, as a junior researcher, he would not have been high on the list of people who needed to be tested ... I don't know.

I like to think Jack was pregnant at some point, but I have my doubts about it ever being mentioned again (err ... not counting the 'face of Boe' speculation)

I don't think Ianto knew about the immortality, but I do think he has his suspicions about his origins, and has probably rooted around in the Torchwood archives to find out as much as possible. I have no doubt he would have stumbled on the Jack Harkness files in London (T3 was still tied to T1 at that point, so there would have been copies in T1 ... at least, I like to think so)

[solitary-summer.livejournal.com]

if Jack really has that ability, neither Tosh, nor Owen would have needed to die, nor would Jack have had to look for the second glove to revive Owen.

Good point. I feel kind of stupid now not to have thought of that before. :)

[cayendi.livejournal.com]

I thought it too, in the beginning, because, no matter how lovely, that kiss in Cyberwoman always confused me. But then series two happened, and it seemed less and less likely

[kateorman.livejournal.com]

A mate of mine went on a business trip to Japan with a bunch of colleagues, and they memorised the phrase "Thank you for being our honourable travelling companions!", which they would recite in unison every time they got off a train. Occasionally one of the Japanese passengers would smile a little at this.

[tencrush]

that kiss in Cyberwoman always confused me
That's because you didn't listen when I said they were fucking all along.

:P :P

[cayendi.livejournal.com]

did you say that? :shocked:
actually, according to several reports, Gareth said that as well during is Q&A at the Rift.

but I meant before reading all these lovely discussions :)

[fatchickengirl.livejournal.com]

It appear on the series one extranet Ianto had been searching around for signatures and found one in the early 50's. So suspect and also John kiing himself etc Ianto wld of be suspect to Jack's involment with that.

Jack actually confirmed he went underground at the circus for Torchwood. and after Fragments we know he spent the whole 20c in Torchwood one way or another.

For me that kiss *points to Icon* is pre-date as it was their way of saying i care/love you without saying it and Ianto fianlly excepting Jack isn't going to bugger off again!!!

As for super power pasing on life/strength; well we saw him do it on 'Day One' to help cerys!

[cayendi.livejournal.com]

cute :)
that reminds me of my best friend from Manchester. Once after a visit to me (Netherlands), he spent about a week saying 'dank je wel' and 'graag gedaan' in shops in Manchester, before he realised he was doing it.

[cayendi.livejournal.com]

Jack actually confirmed he went underground at the circus for Torchwood. and after Fragments we know he spent the whole 20c in Torchwood one way or another.
He didn't confirm this. I think you're right, but he just said it was complicated, he never mentioned Torchwood.

[jo02]

I am sad that you are done with the polls.
I love a good poll.
Um, my ears have gone red, I am going now.

[kateorman.livejournal.com]

I had the same problem returning to London after only one weekend in Paris. And my French is complete crap.

Wandering back on topic, I wonder how much Welsh GDL can speak. (IIUC he'd have had to study it at high school.)

[cayendi.livejournal.com]

Tavvan: http://tavven.livejournal.com/4797.html writes in her report on 'the Rift:
on whether he can speak Welsh
He can speak bits and pieces. He also said he would like to learn Italian at some point.

[cayendi.livejournal.com]

Actually, that makes me think of something else.

Does Ianto speak Welsh? And how much?

I think he's fluent in Welsh

[tencrush]

He SO reads this journal. Weirdo.

[erinnthered.livejournal.com]

I think it comes down to some sort of 'mostly dead' vs 'all dead' type thing. The gunshot wounds may render someone 'all dead' a lot faster than a toss across a room.

[cayendi.livejournal.com]

No weirder than we are :D

[cayendi.livejournal.com]

Faster, maybe, but, in both cases, I think he could have 'stopped' death enough, so they could be saved.

I just don't think he has that ability.

[erinnthered.livejournal.com]

I think Ianto figured out pretty much everything because he's Ianto. He may not have known the whys, but he knew Jack was not typically mortal and had traveled to different times and planets. And Ianto will lie if he thinks it's warranted. So, we can't believe a word out of his mouth unless we know the motive for certain.

I don't think Ianto speaks Japanese. Tanezaki spoke fluent English. Maybe he learned a greeting or phrase at first, but it's not something he ever spent time on.

I'm assuming the date was pre-KKBB because something tells me Ianto at least tried to hold out until the date, and they were clearly fucking again by KKBB.

Jack was pregnant and Ianto has psychic abilities, but the chances of them ever coming up are pretty much nil.

You forgot one option on question four...Only if it's Twu Wuv.

Please stop apologizing for the polls! They are made of awesome, and seem like a wonderful way to occasionally pass this nightmare of a hiatus. A year?!? Ack!

Also, assuming Gareth is reading this blog, then he's already read everyone's wierdo comments. In which case...thank from the bottom of my heart for wearing pants that fit and shaving that thing off your face. You look like a million bucks pounds.

[crankyholly.livejournal.com]

Great point! I never thought of that, and I'd been pondering that kiss for a while now.

[dani_the_girl]

It is annoying how many of the questions in these polls have answers which are basically "Yes, but the writers are too lazy to do anything about it". They really need to get it together a bit more. I would like to join the petition for the sheet of A4 paper plan.