All right, I'm going to start this off by saying I haven't actually seen this episode, but have read MANY commnents about it that made me go huh??? So, hopefully, my rant here isn't completely without merit. ;) Here goes...
It doesn't even make sense why he would need to time travel except God forbid he appears for any period of time without that frickin' coat. Anyway, if JE wanted to dig herself out of an actual continuity fail hole, all she had to do was say it was meant to be in Jack's original living through the 20th century timeline OR that maybe all of the suspicious references in episode7 are setting up something for future episodes (like Jack coming from a future re-established Torchwood)...that would at least buy her some time and get the immediate heat off of her if it wasn't true.
It doesn't fit AT ALL with what we've seen on Torchwood. Jack didn't have a working vortex manipulator at any point during his Torchwood story (only on Doctor Who and none of that jives with him popping to the '20s to find a "companion"). It could make sense if Jack is from a future Torchwood, but for some reason JE had to say it was pre-COE while trying to placate the tweeters.
Maybe, maybe that period in season 1 after Ianto betrayed Jack in Cyberwoman and before he came back to Torchwood and renewed his feelings for Ianto in KKBB could have had a 1920's Torchwood-needs-to-send-Jack-back-in-time-via-the-Rift story, but then we would've seen it in the actual show. (Jack poppping through back and forth would've been a big deal since they never showed anyone able to do that in a controlled way or for an intended mission.) After all, he thought he had no one in Captain Jack Harkness; HOWEVER, there is dialogue that doesn't add up (but could be hand-waved away). Jack going back at any point in season 2 doesn't work AT ALL with what was on the show. He had all the companionship and family he could need from this Torchwood team (including a blossoming and supposedly healthy relationship with Ianto). Plus, supposedly still can't use Rift to time travel and still no working vortex manipulator.
A pre-COE, during S1-S2 team trip to the '20's totally messes with COE and Jack's supposed reason for being able to sacrifice Steven and RTD's main excuse for why Ianto HAD to die--Jack cared about Ianto SO MUCH!!! Again, though, dialogue screws up why he couldn't have gone back in time during some period while working for Torchwood before the show started (like during Alex's time or that stretch before Tosh, Owen, and Ianto joined).
There is just no reason (that we know of so far anyway--there are still three episodes left to the wonderful and absolutely no logic fails anywhere Miracle Day) why this had to be set pre-COE, but not during the natural course of his time living through the '20s, except that they were trying to catch lightning in the bottle again by making an even more romantic/suggestive/tragic/classic episode to rival the much touted Captain Jack Harkness. So, thanks show for ruining everything that came before it and for crapping all over the Jack/Ianto relationship again. So far, in MD, Ianto is just a "friend" after all.
Ugh. And here I was actually looking forward to this episode because it was going to be (I thought innocently--ha!) flashbacks to Jack's natural Earth-bound timeline that might also actually shed some light on the three-series-long relationship that they couldn't bother to spend any real time on, but they couldn't even give me that. Well, except that Jack apparently uses the same lines on guys and falls for them in similar ways.
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Date: 2011-08-22 02:31 pm (UTC)It doesn't even make sense why he would need to time travel except God forbid he appears for any period of time without that frickin' coat. Anyway, if JE wanted to dig herself out of an actual continuity fail hole, all she had to do was say it was meant to be in Jack's original living through the 20th century timeline OR that maybe all of the suspicious references in episode7 are setting up something for future episodes (like Jack coming from a future re-established Torchwood)...that would at least buy her some time and get the immediate heat off of her if it wasn't true.
It doesn't fit AT ALL with what we've seen on Torchwood. Jack didn't have a working vortex manipulator at any point during his Torchwood story (only on Doctor Who and none of that jives with him popping to the '20s to find a "companion"). It could make sense if Jack is from a future Torchwood, but for some reason JE had to say it was pre-COE while trying to placate the tweeters.
Maybe, maybe that period in season 1 after Ianto betrayed Jack in Cyberwoman and before he came back to Torchwood and renewed his feelings for Ianto in KKBB could have had a 1920's Torchwood-needs-to-send-Jack-back-in-time-via-the-Rift story, but then we would've seen it in the actual show. (Jack poppping through back and forth would've been a big deal since they never showed anyone able to do that in a controlled way or for an intended mission.) After all, he thought he had no one in Captain Jack Harkness; HOWEVER, there is dialogue that doesn't add up (but could be hand-waved away). Jack going back at any point in season 2 doesn't work AT ALL with what was on the show. He had all the companionship and family he could need from this Torchwood team (including a blossoming and supposedly healthy relationship with Ianto). Plus, supposedly still can't use Rift to time travel and still no working vortex manipulator.
A pre-COE, during S1-S2 team trip to the '20's totally messes with COE and Jack's supposed reason for being able to sacrifice Steven and RTD's main excuse for why Ianto HAD to die--Jack cared about Ianto SO MUCH!!! Again, though, dialogue screws up why he couldn't have gone back in time during some period while working for Torchwood before the show started (like during Alex's time or that stretch before Tosh, Owen, and Ianto joined).
There is just no reason (that we know of so far anyway--there are still three episodes left to the wonderful and absolutely no logic fails anywhere Miracle Day) why this had to be set pre-COE, but not during the natural course of his time living through the '20s, except that they were trying to catch lightning in the bottle again by making an even more romantic/suggestive/tragic/classic episode to rival the much touted Captain Jack Harkness. So, thanks show for ruining everything that came before it and for crapping all over the Jack/Ianto relationship again. So far, in MD, Ianto is just a "friend" after all.
Ugh. And here I was actually looking forward to this episode because it was going to be (I thought innocently--ha!) flashbacks to Jack's natural Earth-bound timeline that might also actually shed some light on the three-series-long relationship that they couldn't bother to spend any real time on, but they couldn't even give me that. Well, except that Jack apparently uses the same lines on guys and falls for them in similar ways.