Ianto

[tencrush]

The Debenhams thing has killed me dead. I wish I could properly get my head around what it means, but even just attempting to think about it right now is making me cry like a baby.

Yeah, in case you hadn't noticed, I really fucking loved Ianto Jones. LOL, I'm so broken.

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[mellacita.livejournal.com]

If you didn't know that about him, you didn't know him at all.

Basically, his friends, team, lover, boss and many, many fans didn't know him at all. AND NEVER WILL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO.

Um, way to twist the knife there, Rusty boy.

[forgiveninasong.livejournal.com]

I just hate how/what tthat possinly means:

*Ianto is a coward?
*Ianto lied?
*Ianto is ashamed?
*Ianto wanted to look better than he was?

I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT THIS MEANS. You are completely right about everything, you are, and i just hate how it took, me so long to see it.

I can't even type properly.

IANTO. What does the Debenhams thing even MEAN?!

D:

[as1mplegirl.livejournal.com]

RTD like fuck youing fans?

[venusinchains.livejournal.com]

I haven't seen the ep yet, but I take it to mean that Jack only ever "scratched the surface."

It gives me evil glee. (I hope watching it doesn't change my tune.)

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah what exactly was that tidbit of information even about?! 'Oh the things you'll never know about Ianto Jones'?!
Between that and PC Andy (whom I love) rambling on about whether or not Ianto was gay, like har har isn't it funny?
Did he fall asleep half way through writing it only to wake up with paper stuck to his face and Wotsits in his hair before realising his deadline was 5 minutes away?! What an effing cop out.

[rowanswhimsy.livejournal.com]

It's just horrific. So not only did Ianto not know Jack, but when Ianto told Jack that he knew everything about Ianto, he lied to Jack? So Ianto was always keeping everyone at arm's distance? Plus he was ashamed of his background?

Way to piss on the fanbase, RTD.

[tencrush]

Oh, come on, Russell just thought we needed reminding of what a big gay (thanks for the info Andy) coward Ianto was. What's your problem with that, dude?

[aresnz.livejournal.com]

Can you explain to me what Debenhams is? Not being in UK I haven't a clue. I guess Ianto was lying about his background to Jack then. Kept himself as a distance in his own way. How tragic.

Lori

[tencrush]

Umm... it's like Sears? A department store, household goods, clothes. Off the rack suits.

[gogo-didi.livejournal.com]

I read this and it helped me... but that's me

[rowanswhimsy.livejournal.com]

Apparently my problem is that I haven't had enough to drink. ;-)

Really, the Debenhams comment is what absolutely does me in. I could almost find myself rationalizing the rest, but now I find myself just utterly disgusted.

[aresnz.livejournal.com]

Thank you.

Lori

[(Anonymous)]

I still love Ianto, but now I see RTD for the twat he really is. He could have let Ianto's memory rest in peace.

Fuck you, RTD.

[rallyemadartep.livejournal.com]

can't comment, need more wine.

[noneinnyet.livejournal.com]

I fucking hated PC Andy laughing over whether Ianto was gay or not. What the fuck does that have to do with anything? The world is in a crisis and you're off to tell a woman that her brother is dead. What does his sexual orientation have to do with anything? What an awful line.

[jo02]

This is going to be one of many points of pain, because

Not only did they kill a most beloved character

But then they couldn't stop until they made his memory dirty.

This. This has broken my brain.

[rallyemadartep.livejournal.com]

*gulps wine...and offers an extra bottle*

I could live with Ianto's death, and I was expecting it at some stage, but this type of character assassination just really sets me off.


need more wine. and sleep. head hurts from it all.

[rowanswhimsy.livejournal.com]

I absolutely cannot fathom what they were trying to do with Andy.

[alba17.livejournal.com]

And on top of Ianto's comment to Jack that he'd "only scratched the surface", implying he felt like he didn't know Jack at all either. God. And Gwen's horrified look. Like none of them knew each other at all, after all they'd been through. Man, that makes me upset the more I think about it.

RTD must really love Gwen. She was the only one who came out of it unscathed. Everyone else is dead or an emotional wreck.

[rexluscus.livejournal.com]

That bit devastated me too. I was like, "okay the world is ending and I care because Ianto lied to his friends about what his father did for a living?" But I did, because it made his character so much sadder, so much more desperate and hollow. It even changed his love for Lisa and Jack - was he so fanatically devoted to them because they gave him a way to erase himself? In a way, I'm impressed that they managed to do all of that with just a single line of dialogue. But mostly I'm just sad.

[kateorman.livejournal.com]

Destroyed. Part of my problem, of course, is that I love Jack and I love Gwen and I don't resent RTD one little bit. I don't even have the fannish comfort of having someone to hate. Now it's over, I'm not just in mourning for Ianto, but for the cracky, silly, gratuitously dirty little caterpillar of a show which just turned into a butterfly.

[coffee-kris.livejournal.com]

I haven't seen the whole episode yet, but I'm going to say again that I think that there's more to Ianto than his sister even knew.

He said in OOTR that he went to the Electro with his dad - it closed in the 70s.

He didn't die in Canary Wharf; he even managed to rescue (I assume) Lisa from the conversion unit and keep her from flying out of that great sucking hole that Rose went through between dimensions (didn't everything else that was cyber-related get sucked out?)

He knew EVERYTHING. He anticipated EVERYTHING. He had a stopwatch.

It's ridiculous and probably hopeless, and I still hate RTD but I think Ianto was an alien and the dad he talked about was not the dad Rhiannon knew about; he "lied" to her about it because he didn't know any better since he didn't realize she wasn't also that man's daughter. Or he knew more about his dad than she did; maybe she's adopted.

Anyway, I'm still hoping that like Joss Wheden, none of this is being done without a reason and if RTD has one, hopefully it more than just making us dislike Ianto so maybe we'll be a little less pissed about this whole thing.

Then again, I think RTD fucking hates his fans, so this is probably just a final "fuck you" to us all for loving Ianto so much.

[tencrush]

That last thing sounds more likely.

[seres-mimosa.livejournal.com]

I've got a theory re Debenhams:
Ianto and his family were the only characters from the bottom 10% of society - the ones that will grown up to be criminals or drug dealers according to that horrid government woman. Ianto was a little boy who grew up lower class, with all it's baggage and negative connotations, dreaming of bigger things. Season 3 made up a backstory, implied he ran away from his (clearly fabulous) family, and lied about his dad's work, I think to imply that was ashamed (even if we know that's stupid and he was born awesome). The same class prejudice that produces these social hang-ups, deemed the wee Ianto's of the world less worthy than their private school peers and would sacrifice them, and all their promise.

I only just realized that RTD et al ss not about the characters but the stories that RTD wanted to tell, and the characters get changed or shoehorned into roles to tell the story. Which makes character 'canon' a joke.

[as1mplegirl.livejournal.com]

But he's such a huuuuuuuuge fanboy. Who loves fans and would never belittle or insult them. :rolls eyes: