Not buying that one. Post-Fragments, can you really say that Ianto has suffered more than Owen or Tosh or (especially) JACK! and that this justifies his self-centered whininess in the course of the two series and especially his apparent need/desire to cling to Jack like a limpet and obvious fear of any and all relationships Jack has had or will have that are not him?
Let's see. Owen watched the love of his life succumb to an illness, did everything he could to save her, only to have her die. Ianto watched the love of his life succumb to fatal injuries, did everything he could to save her only to see her die. Owen watched as a woman he loved flew off into the Rift rather than stay and make a go of their relationship. Ianto watched as the man he loved (?) flew off on the TARDIS rather than stay with him. Owen was beaten up by a Weevil (although he did voluntarily step into the cage). Ianto was beaten up by cannibals. I will concede that Owen has been shot more times than Ianto, but Ianto did have a gun put to his head and the trigger pulled.
I will also concede that Jack has suffered a lot over the years, but then he has had 160+ years to pack the suffering in. (one wonders if he has reached the 800+ dead colleagues total that Ianto has racked up so far)
Tosh, well she's got the whole thrown in UNIT custody for terrorist crimes deal, but then she did commit the crime (I don't care how motivated she was, she built a weapon, she made a working weapon and handed it over to a terrorist group) And yes she's had the whole 'dead girlfriend' experience - seems to be a Torchwood rite of passage. She too was assaulted by cannibals - but got away with less damage than Ianto. Does she whine? Well she's certainly turned on the waterworks often enough. (IIRC, even some of the writers have commented on how a 'good episode' tended to end with Tosh in tears)
And again, perhaps it's a matter of looking at the episodes through different eyes, but I do not see Ianto's actions or reactions as being 'whining'. Let's see, your boss/friend/part time shag, dissappears without warning and returns to tell you he found what he'd been looking for. I don't think it's whining to ask whether he's going to dissapear again.
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Date: 2008-07-18 09:33 pm (UTC)Let's see. Owen watched the love of his life succumb to an illness, did everything he could to save her, only to have her die. Ianto watched the love of his life succumb to fatal injuries, did everything he could to save her only to see her die.
Owen watched as a woman he loved flew off into the Rift rather than stay and make a go of their relationship. Ianto watched as the man he loved (?) flew off on the TARDIS rather than stay with him.
Owen was beaten up by a Weevil (although he did voluntarily step into the cage). Ianto was beaten up by cannibals. I will concede that Owen has been shot more times than Ianto, but Ianto did have a gun put to his head and the trigger pulled.
I will also concede that Jack has suffered a lot over the years, but then he has had 160+ years to pack the suffering in. (one wonders if he has reached the 800+ dead colleagues total that Ianto has racked up so far)
Tosh, well she's got the whole thrown in UNIT custody for terrorist crimes deal, but then she did commit the crime (I don't care how motivated she was, she built a weapon, she made a working weapon and handed it over to a terrorist group) And yes she's had the whole 'dead girlfriend' experience - seems to be a Torchwood rite of passage. She too was assaulted by cannibals - but got away with less damage than Ianto. Does she whine? Well she's certainly turned on the waterworks often enough. (IIRC, even some of the writers have commented on how a 'good episode' tended to end with Tosh in tears)
And again, perhaps it's a matter of looking at the episodes through different eyes, but I do not see Ianto's actions or reactions as being 'whining'. Let's see, your boss/friend/part time shag, dissappears without warning and returns to tell you he found what he'd been looking for. I don't think it's whining to ask whether he's going to dissapear again.