But on a side note, I like to comment on following: "It's the reason I don't believe these two are each other's one true love, circumstances have created a need that each of them is fulfilling for the other, but I don't think it's forever."
It's not as much I disagree as I don't care much for so called "true love" and it isn't forever anyway. I in general think that's a superfluous term, especially in Jack's case... (Personally, I think it's dubious in general, but let's keep it on TW.) For Jack, everyone he loved was true love to a different extent, please see TTLM. As for forever... nothing is, even the universe ends; as for Janto, they could part away by death, Jack went away, or even pull another Estelle, if TW runs long enough (As I'm writing this, I suddenly want to see a Sex and the City version of Janto; those two make good drama). The point is, let's quote Jack, what really matters is right now. I will never expect them to move in or do anything more domestic than having dinner and movie, let alone having the whole "incomplete without each other"... so I think I do get what you mean by they are not each other's "true love". On the other hand, I do believe they are important, special and exclusive to each other, and will try to stay together as far as the circumstance allows. That's enough to me. Domestic and vows aside, that seems to be all we look for in a lover anyway.
The fact that Jack and Ianto were less effected by losing the connection with each other, only showed that they both had certain level of sturdiness in their psych and a reserved side in their personalities. Not everyone feels the emptiness without TOTL, at least not in the beginning. Then again, they are in a slow burn any way. If either one of them suddenly gets all "something is missing from my life", I will feel weird.
Ianto was the kind of guy who can function as normal even when he was in grave pain; this could be seen from the first half of season 1 all the way through the Greek Bearing Gift, where Tosh heard his pain through the pendant. So I wouldn't completely write him off as unaffected greatly by Adam; it just might be difficult to show (the boy's a drifter, this lot are usually lost even when they appeared most normal.)and unimportant in the plot (it's not a Janto fanfic after all).
As for Jack, like you said, he appear to be harder, more agitated at times (not only when he sees the images of Grey).
True love or not, what's more telling was the natural trust Jack had with Ianto. Even without those connections and with every evidence proving otherwise, he still saw and believed in Ianto's innocence without slight hesitation. I think that's what the episode intended to emphasize on Jack and Ianto's part. Like you said, "In the same way that Tosh and Owen are HUGELY changed by the loss of their defining memories, Jack and Ianto, oddly, are not." I guess this is sort of a "glass half full or half empty" thing...
"Oh, and another little character note about Ianto, though, the later murders I think tell us a lot about him as well. He's quite fucked up about the whole thing, but I do think there's an undercurrent in the lie detector scene that tells us Ianto has within him the capacity to do evil. The boy's got quite a dark side."
Gosh, I love this. "Most accurate lie detector" can't just be a joke... it must detected certain truth in Ianto, but left it for interpretation. I do so hope it's yours.
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Date: 2008-07-26 10:36 pm (UTC)But on a side note, I like to comment on following:
"It's the reason I don't believe these two are each other's one true love, circumstances have created a need that each of them is fulfilling for the other, but I don't think it's forever."
It's not as much I disagree as I don't care much for so called "true love" and it isn't forever anyway. I in general think that's a superfluous term, especially in Jack's case... (Personally, I think it's dubious in general, but let's keep it on TW.) For Jack, everyone he loved was true love to a different extent, please see TTLM. As for forever... nothing is, even the universe ends; as for Janto, they could part away by death, Jack went away, or even pull another Estelle, if TW runs long enough (As I'm writing this, I suddenly want to see a Sex and the City version of Janto; those two make good drama). The point is, let's quote Jack, what really matters is right now. I will never expect them to move in or do anything more domestic than having dinner and movie, let alone having the whole "incomplete without each other"... so I think I do get what you mean by they are not each other's "true love". On the other hand, I do believe they are important, special and exclusive to each other, and will try to stay together as far as the circumstance allows. That's enough to me. Domestic and vows aside, that seems to be all we look for in a lover anyway.
The fact that Jack and Ianto were less effected by losing the connection with each other, only showed that they both had certain level of sturdiness in their psych and a reserved side in their personalities. Not everyone feels the emptiness without TOTL, at least not in the beginning. Then again, they are in a slow burn any way. If either one of them suddenly gets all "something is missing from my life", I will feel weird.
Ianto was the kind of guy who can function as normal even when he was in grave pain; this could be seen from the first half of season 1 all the way through the Greek Bearing Gift, where Tosh heard his pain through the pendant. So I wouldn't completely write him off as unaffected greatly by Adam; it just might be difficult to show (the boy's a drifter, this lot are usually lost even when they appeared most normal.)and unimportant in the plot (it's not a Janto fanfic after all).
As for Jack, like you said, he appear to be harder, more agitated at times (not only when he sees the images of Grey).
True love or not, what's more telling was the natural trust Jack had with Ianto. Even without those connections and with every evidence proving otherwise, he still saw and believed in Ianto's innocence without slight hesitation. I think that's what the episode intended to emphasize on Jack and Ianto's part. Like you said, "In the same way that Tosh and Owen are HUGELY changed by the loss of their defining memories, Jack and Ianto, oddly, are not." I guess this is sort of a "glass half full or half empty" thing...
"Oh, and another little character note about Ianto, though, the later murders I think tell us a lot about him as well. He's quite fucked up about the whole thing, but I do think there's an undercurrent in the lie detector scene that tells us Ianto has within him the capacity to do evil. The boy's got quite a dark side."
Gosh, I love this. "Most accurate lie detector" can't just be a joke... it must detected certain truth in Ianto, but left it for interpretation. I do so hope it's yours.