tencrush: (eleven mad man)
2011-09-25 08:53 pm

Umm... Who theories?

Nah, actually, they're more sort of random thoughts on the Who finale.

Spoilers, sweetie )
tencrush: (twplot)
2008-12-01 10:12 am

Random fandom...


  • In defense of me... First of all, I love how when I post something about Barrowman, it never gets linked in the [livejournal.com profile] torchwood_three newsletter, because it'll usually be about me thinking he's a bit of a dick. The Barrowmafia is strong. Not that I give a rat's arse, it's just something I've noticed.

  • Secondly, I've noticed that the extreme Barrowman love tends to come from Americans. I find that interesting from a sociological perspective, and I can understand where that comes from. A lot of American fans seem to find his out-and-out outness and happy-go-lucky lifestyle refreshingly different. As a European, I find it a mite tedious, and slightly overly perky and, indeed, American. I get outness on my telly and in my parliament and my newspapers and everywhere else on a daily basis, and as soon as you start going OTT with that outness, it strikes me as being a calculated exploitation of one's sexuality, which I associate with camp light entertainers and panto stars like Paul O'Grady and Julian Clary. But then, that's what Barrowman is. And the US doesn't really have Graham Nortons and Paul O'Gradys, and it certainly doesn't have that not-in-your-face outness of politicians and newspeople and actors and whoever that I take for granted over here, so I guess Barrowman is refreshing to a lot of Americans (As an aside, whatever happened to those uber-camp light entertainers I seem to recall the US having back in the seventies and eighties on things like Hollywood Squares and The Love Boat? Did they disappear into the woodwork out when AIDS hit? Did it cease being funny to be stereotypically gay? Were those guys ever really accepted as being gay by mainstream America, or were they just point-and-laugh funny because they acted gay? And why can't I remember any of their names?) But yeah, anyway, I can see why people think he's cool, and seriously, if you love the guy, go for it. There are far worse people on this earth to love, and apart from anything else, I don't think the man has a nasty bone in his body. Apart from the bone that would probably make a joke about the phrase "nasty bone", and that bone's just crude, but not nasty. And if he's got just one Torchwood fan who's never really been in contact with homosexuality and never known anyone who's gay and never really thought about it, to realise that it's okay to be gay and the world isn't going to end because two guys shack up and get a couple of gay dogs and move into your neighbourhood, then that's a great thing, because that's how it works. Go Barrowmanfans, go forth and be happy, I have nothing against you. I just think he's a bit of a dick. But that's just me.

  • A specific defense of me, not that I've been named, but I can read between the lines, I never claimed that Barrowman has corrupted the virginal GDL and turned him into a waving-his-cock-in-your-face-type monster. Though I did say something along those lines here once that may have been construed that way. Gareth David-Lloyd is a 27-year-old man and I fully believe that he, like most 27-year-olds, will happily and drunkenly wave his cock in anyone's face, stick it down anyone's throat and possibly even try to stick things up it for a bet just like any healthy boy his age, without the need of ANY encouragement from anyone else. What I DID say was in conjunction with all the hullabaloo surrounding the Hub convention, and it was that I think Barrowman, who's been around a bit and is, let's face it a lot older and presumably wiser, has been a bad influence on convention n00bs like Gareth and Naoko, not in inciting bad behaviour, but in giving the impression that this sort of behaviour is perfectly acceptable. None of that would have been an issue for me were it not for the fact that after that particular convention, vibes were being spread around the interwebs that What Happened At The Hub Should Stay At The Hub, and the impression was given that the actors' behaviour at said convention somehow wasn't palatable for the general public. And in that respect I'm probably just too much of an old woman, and more forgiving of the youngsters, in as much as I think Barrowman really is old enough to know better, and the reason I singled out Barrowman specifically, is because those vibes I mentioned were reported to be coming from him solely, and not from anyone else, which I found hypocritical of someone who so eagerly encourages the crudeness in others. In retrospect, like I've said before, I may have misread the fact that JB specifically didn't want his behaviour getting out. Not being a huge fan of his, I kind of misinterpreted some of the uberBarrowmanettes' tone of "JOHN TALKED TO US OMG I TALKED TO JOHN!!" as "JOHN is the one, out of all of them, who specifically felt this way", simply because that first interpretation doesn't really impress me and therefore I kind of just read over it and went straight for the second. But yeah, that's why I went for John. Make of it what you will.

  • Oh, and dudes, I've never claimed that Jack is a subby little bottom. I do, frequently claim Ianto is a dommy little top, which is a hangover from my glee at being proven right in my assertion, all that time ago, that Ianto was a manwhore who pulled the wool over Jack's eyes re. Lisa by distracting him with sex, but I've never once stated that that implies Jack is a subby little bottom. I really should stop reading the anonymeme, I know. I can't help myself.

  • TORCHWOOD SPOILERS )

  • Oh yes, and when Torchwood is axed, everyone will blame Moffat. Everyone from now on will blame Moffat for EVERYTHING. It's got nothing to do with Moffat, though I do believe Moffat wants nothing to do with Torchwood, but that in itself would not be an adequate reason for the BBC to axe the show. The hate for Moffat is strong, and it's completely unfounded, and it's only going to get worse and worse and worse. I weep for this fandom, I really do. I still love you, Steven.


As you were.

tencrush: (iantobutton)
2008-05-04 08:12 am

Random Who and Torchwood speculation. Bear with me...

Okay, this will all seem a bit random and there are spoilers and stuff, so don't read it if you don't like that sort of thing, srsly, JUST MOVE ALONG, it's not that hard.

I've been doing a bit of thinking and discussing and such about these Who finale spoilers, the talk about Rusty leaving, Torchwood being rejigged AGAIN (WHY?? Don't fix it, asshats, it ain't broke right now!!) and the possible 5/6 episode Torchwood stint, so I'm going to put some rambling thoughts down about what's going on and hope they make sense.

  • First of all the 5/6 episode TW run wouldn't hugely surprise me, just because logistically, doing 6 TW eps plus 3 full length Who specials just about adds up to the same amount of work as ONE CREW would put in for a WHOLE NORMAL SEASON of either of those two things. I wouldn't read too much into it, I don't think there's an implication there that either show is scaling down for good, I think they're just attempting to keep one crew employed for the upcoming year, as opposed to offering a few months here and there, which is never a popular move.


  • Money stuff. WHAT HAPPENED TO CBC?? They dropped Who after S3 and TW after S1, is that just lack of funds or what? I never actually read any reports on why the collaboration ended. Is the franchise costing BBC Wales slightly more money than we perhaps realise now that it's a solo production? Are they possibly looking for a new co-production partner? (Like I've said before, it wouldn't surprise me if BBCA were willing to pump some money into TW with a few strings attached, including upping the number of episodes, which would require better writing for en ensemble cast, which would require a slightly different production method, which... etc etc.) Plus, SciFi's first broadcast rights on Who are up soon (after the specials, I assume?) In short, I think there's A LOT going on behind the scenes right now, Russell's leaving is probably even tied into all that somewhere along the line.


  • Speculation tiem: The stuff I've heard is this when it comes to the Who finale: There's a reset button, there's at least ten people IN the TARDIS (Donna, Martha, Rose, Sarah Jane, Jack, Gwen, Ianto, Mickey, Jackie, Pete). When it comes to the new series of TW, I've heard Mickey and Martha are joining, but I've also heard talk that there's been casting (for an uncommissioned series, cool) for Owen and Tosh's replacements, and, obviously, Marsters is on board for a number of episodes (in fact, he has seemed to be the MOST FIRM in seeing TW as an actual DIARY commitment already, and I figure with the commitments he has elsewhere, he is actually likely to receive more solid information than anyone else if they want him to return.)


  • SO, BEARING ALL THAT IN MIND, this is my theory: It's not a popular choice, but I DO think there's a reset button involved somehow and we may well lose a few months, if not years of canon. The reason I think this, is because doing so (there was talk of Nine never having regenerated into Ten, now there's talk of Eight never having regenerated into Nine and something to do with changing the outcome of the Time War.) DOESN'T ACTUALLY AFFECT ANYTHING, IF all the major players involved in the franchise are at the eye of the storm and therefore unaffected. The Torchwood organisation could conceivably not exist or have ever existed without that proving too much of a problem for the Torchwood TV show, IF Jack, Gwen and Ianto have still been through everything they've been through in S1 and 2 by virtue of them missing out on the reset. They could easily start up TW mark 2 with no real problem, because the end is where they start from, after all. And there has been talk of a MAJOR CHANGE at TW.


  • In fact, you see, the thing is, the more I think about EVERY MAJOR CHARACTER FROM THE ZOOWHONIVERSE BEING IN THE TARDIS AT THE SAME TIME, the more I can't really think of any other valid reason for that to happen OTHER THAN circumstances outside the TARDIS changing to such an extent that every player in the franchise will need protecting from those changes.


  • And the reason I'm starting to buy into that idea now is PRECISELY BECAUSE I now KNOW Russell is leaving and LOOK WHAT CHIBNALL DID TO TW ON HIS WAY OUT. Russell obviously likes those big gay dramatic gestures, or you'd think he'd have vetoed major character death on Torchwood. I think Russell's going to do something MASSIVE. Not CGI massive, just massive. Canon massive.


  • Having said that, it's probably jusy some big gay cgi monster.


In Gareth news: ACTUAL FIRST HAND ORGEE ACCOUNTS are more than welcome IF they are cock-related and, obviously, actual pictorial evidences of alleged cock incidents would be rewarded with some sort of fangirlish bounty.