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[tencrush]

In Russell's world, bumsex with Russell Tovey pretty much fixes all your emo manpain, no matter how vast, yeah?

That's pretty faily right there. Not as faily as that thing with Martha and you know who, but still pretty fucking offensively faily. As was that thing with Donna. Wow, that's a lot of fucking fail to heap upon an awful lot of companions.

DON'T LET THE DOOR HIT YOUR ASS RUSSELL.

Also, did Simm just disappear, never to be mentioned again, or did it just seem that way?

Comments

[karaokegal.livejournal.com]

I honestly disagree. I haven't seen QAF UK, but based on my experience with Who, I feel like I got completely coherent arcs for Nine, Rose, Martha, Donna and Ten.

If anything is the problem with TW, it's not RTD, except to the extent that he didn't have enough hands-on as Producer to write a bible and tell everybody how it was going to be. That may make him a bad producer but not a bad writer per se. (And of course IMAO, they should have stuck with the original dead!Ianto concept and saved us all the pain.)

Clearly Jack is hot for Gwen-You could practically feel his erection in the gun lesson scene. Jack is a sexual bastard, but as a result of his travel with the Doctor he wants to be a hero. Those aren't contradictory. He might try to be less of a sexual bastard as well, but 100 years stuck in one place probably wore that out in a hurry.

And the fact that RTD chose to give us sexual Jack as the last image for Ten's Dr. Who, gives me a fairly good idea that he does see the character that way, AND CoE Jack is really Jack. (Hence my conviction that S4 Bigger and Better will have that Jack as well.)

[coldwater1010.livejournal.com]

Except the version of Jack that supposedly began COE wasn't really the guy who ended COE. He was supposedly 'broken' and grief stricken and feeling guilty. I assume we're at least supposed to think he's still 'grieving' otherwise he wouldn't have needed the Doctor to set him up he'd be running around finding his own boytoys. RTD wanted a 'broken' Jack which is why COE Jack had to suffer and suffer for his sins. So I suspect you're more likely to see a 'I'm looking for a redemption' Jack than the guy who showed up at the beginning of COE.

[karaokegal.livejournal.com]

I never bought into the "broken" meme. He's done worse and he lost more. Sp no, not "grieving" either, certainly not for one temporary individual in his life, if anything for the one he left behind, and possibly for the chain of events starting with the Doctor's abandonment. That is the tragedy of his life; not any individual "relationship."

And if he's looking for redemption, it's still going to bring him back to Torchwood and eventually Gwen either in the bonded friendship/UST mode or to resolve the unexplained, unexplored love that RTD alluded to.

The fact that our last image of Jack is smiling and handsome, doesn't really lead to a whole gut-wrenching, soul-searching thing, although how much would the J/I shippers hate it if that happened...and it was Gwen he looked to for help?

[coldwater1010.livejournal.com]

Well he may have done worst, but in terms of what we know from the show I'm hard pressed to think what. You'll have to enlighten me.

[karaokegal.livejournal.com]

Nearly a hundred years with Torchwood, especially pre-2000, Time Agent period, including his stint as go-to torture guy and the war before that. The boy's got plenty of guilt on his plate, which is why he went all ballistic in the death scene.

[coldwater1010.livejournal.com]

Which death scene are you talking about?

[karaokegal.livejournal.com]

Ianto's.

Massive accumulated guilt especially regarding the death of yet another TW employee on his watch, plus residual abandonment issues relative to the Doctor.