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They'd immediately bond due to something else I shall explain in the comments.
The Doctor would bond with the whole team. He's made his peace with/bonded with Jack and the team would be, to him, a part of Jack. Ianto would bond with the Doctor because who wouldn't? And also because he would sense an odd kinship with him. He knows that Torchwood's policy against the Doctor was a lie and I think by now he's over Jack's running off in search of, so the remaining option is to bond. Besides, they could compare emo moments from Canary Wharf, something Ianto can't do with anyone else.
Other. Jack Harkness LAUGHS at your silly little preconceptions about time and space. Jack Harkness and all the writers!
These polls are marvelous.
The Doctor would bond with the whole team. He's made his peace with/bonded with Jack and the team would be, to him, a part of Jack. Ianto would bond with the Doctor because who wouldn't? And also because he would sense an odd kinship with him. He knows that Torchwood's policy against the Doctor was a lie and I think by now he's over Jack's running off in search of, so the remaining option is to bond. Besides, they could compare emo moments from Canary Wharf, something Ianto can't do with anyone else.
Other. Jack Harkness LAUGHS at your silly little preconceptions about time and space. Jack Harkness and all the writers!
These polls are marvelous.
Well, Ianto *would* look pretty on his knees... *points at your icon*
Re: Ianto/Doctor...
Ianto would be suspicious at first, but not necessarily hostile. (He's immediately suspicious but not immediately hostile towards John, who rapidly earns his ire and doesn't get forgiven even when he turns into something approaching a good guy.) A lot of how Ianto treats the Doctor will depend directly on how he treats Jack. If he treats Jack the way he did in Utopia, well, game on. If he treats Jack with kindness and respect, Ianto will treat him with respect.
As far as Canary Wharf, depends on how well Ianto knows what happened...whether or not he knows (or knows now) that it wasn't the Doctor's fault what happened and that he did the best he could in a very bad situation. I don't see that being a problem; one might assume that he and Jack have, you know, discussed the Doctor at some point.
The TARDIS will love Ianto immediately and give him fresh hot coffee as often as he wants. The Doctor will be vaguely annoyed at this.
Ianto would be suspicious at first, but not necessarily hostile. (He's immediately suspicious but not immediately hostile towards John, who rapidly earns his ire and doesn't get forgiven even when he turns into something approaching a good guy.) A lot of how Ianto treats the Doctor will depend directly on how he treats Jack. If he treats Jack the way he did in Utopia, well, game on. If he treats Jack with kindness and respect, Ianto will treat him with respect.
As far as Canary Wharf, depends on how well Ianto knows what happened...whether or not he knows (or knows now) that it wasn't the Doctor's fault what happened and that he did the best he could in a very bad situation. I don't see that being a problem; one might assume that he and Jack have, you know, discussed the Doctor at some point.
The TARDIS will love Ianto immediately and give him fresh hot coffee as often as he wants. The Doctor will be vaguely annoyed at this.
Whether Ianto is going to get on with the Doctor is probably going to depend on how much of the End of the Universe incident Ianto knows about. If all Ianto knows is that Jack came back more emotionally available, he and the Doctor will probably bond over Jack's sluttish ways. If Ianto knows about how Jack is supposedly WRONG, he won't be at all pleased with the Doctor. If Ianto knows just how many of Jack's deaths are concentrated into the Year that Wasn't, the Doctor should probably get right back in the TARDIS.
Was Jack REALLY buried for ALL THAT TIME, how often did he die and and how did this affect him?
Jack took advantage of scaring the bloody hell out of a Roman construction crew to escape from the grave. I know I wouldn't be a reliable narrator to the bastard who buried me in the first place. He's probably still a bit traumatized from the burial and the slow path.
Ianto's past as a shoplifting drifter, TRUFAX?
All the cool Time Lords were doing it.
Ianto's had sex with Yvonne Hartman, right? Right?
Please pass the brain bleach.
Was Jack REALLY buried for ALL THAT TIME, how often did he die and and how did this affect him?
Jack took advantage of scaring the bloody hell out of a Roman construction crew to escape from the grave. I know I wouldn't be a reliable narrator to the bastard who buried me in the first place. He's probably still a bit traumatized from the burial and the slow path.
Ianto's past as a shoplifting drifter, TRUFAX?
All the cool Time Lords were doing it.
Ianto's had sex with Yvonne Hartman, right? Right?
Please pass the brain bleach.
Two more I forgot to comment on.
Ianto's had sex with Yvonne Hartman, right? Right?
You just undid all the good all those other mental images did. I am now horrified. Had you said JACK I would have been horrified. (Yvonne was such a strangely inhuman character to me...)
Ianto's past as a shoplifting drifter, TRUFAX?
There is another possibility. True but not complete. The records were partially destroyed when the Torchwood One fell, so Jack never got to see how much technical training Ianto had received. Which is why the record didn't impress him at all, something which seems to have confused Ianto until he just broke down and demonstrated it. And why no one suspected him of being capable of keeping a cyber conversion unit functioning. And how he got to know Dr. ? (I am only partway through my first coffee of the day. The Asian fellow Lisa killed in "Cyberwoman.") Really, how would a mere junior researcher have gotten to be quite so friendly with someone like that?
Coat=magic. Glad to see someone else acknowledge that.
Still love the polls.
Ianto's had sex with Yvonne Hartman, right? Right?
You just undid all the good all those other mental images did. I am now horrified. Had you said JACK I would have been horrified. (Yvonne was such a strangely inhuman character to me...)
Ianto's past as a shoplifting drifter, TRUFAX?
There is another possibility. True but not complete. The records were partially destroyed when the Torchwood One fell, so Jack never got to see how much technical training Ianto had received. Which is why the record didn't impress him at all, something which seems to have confused Ianto until he just broke down and demonstrated it. And why no one suspected him of being capable of keeping a cyber conversion unit functioning. And how he got to know Dr. ? (I am only partway through my first coffee of the day. The Asian fellow Lisa killed in "Cyberwoman.") Really, how would a mere junior researcher have gotten to be quite so friendly with someone like that?
Coat=magic. Glad to see someone else acknowledge that.
Still love the polls.
Ah, I get it.
I'll stick with monogamy then :)
At least at this point, maybe, in future, who knows? :)
With my perception of the two, I have no doubt that polyamory is a possibility.
I'll stick with monogamy then :)
At least at this point, maybe, in future, who knows? :)
With my perception of the two, I have no doubt that polyamory is a possibility.
The TARDIS will love Ianto immediately and give him fresh hot coffee as often as he wants. The Doctor will be vaguely annoyed at this.
I fully agree with this :)
I like your view on Ianto's reaction to the Doctor. Well said.
I fully agree with this :)
I like your view on Ianto's reaction to the Doctor. Well said.
Yup, the body looks pretty on his knees. Or tied up. Or blindfolded. Or any of various other possible sub positons. But he has such a DOM personality!
oops, I meant *boy* looks pretty! well, of course the body does too. :p
Well, she already likes Jack, and really, what's not to love about a hottie with brains AND good sense? And the old girl is probably a voyeur at heart who will fsck with all the hormones of everybody else inside once those two boys get to shagging.
Can't you just see it now? Donna and Doctor trying to figure out why they're shaking and weak at the knees, and meanwhile Jack and Ianto are having TARDIS-enhanced telepathic sex? And Martha (who comes along for a ride) laughing at everybody else?
Can't you just see it now? Donna and Doctor trying to figure out why they're shaking and weak at the knees, and meanwhile Jack and Ianto are having TARDIS-enhanced telepathic sex? And Martha (who comes along for a ride) laughing at everybody else?
I have this mental picture of the lusty mad scientists of Girl Genius yelling "For Science!" as they are prone to do whenever the possibility of sex occurs. http://girlgeniusonline.com
Re: Doctor/Ianto
I think the Doctor would treat him the way he treated Mickey. A companion’s boyfriend but not someone the Doctor would be close to. Ianto being from TW1 probably won’t help his opinion of Ianto either.
Ianto for his part, knows that the Doctor isn’t to be blamed for what happened at Canary Wharf, but can’t help but feel disgruntled that he didn’t stay for the aftermath and try to help those that could still be saved (i.e. Lisa), despite understanding they couldn’t really be saved. Also I think it depends when they meet, if it’s soon after losing Tosh and Owen, he would be very apprehensive about anyone that could take Jack away.
I’m guessing he doesn’t know that the Doctor thinks Jack is wrong, otherwise, it’s probably ‘shoot on sight’.
Re: Jack’s being buried: The ring wasn’t only a beacon, when it was combined with the (magic) coat it created a time-delayed-thin force field around Jack, this kept Jack (and the coat) intact and no more damaged then he already was.
I think the Doctor would treat him the way he treated Mickey. A companion’s boyfriend but not someone the Doctor would be close to. Ianto being from TW1 probably won’t help his opinion of Ianto either.
Ianto for his part, knows that the Doctor isn’t to be blamed for what happened at Canary Wharf, but can’t help but feel disgruntled that he didn’t stay for the aftermath and try to help those that could still be saved (i.e. Lisa), despite understanding they couldn’t really be saved. Also I think it depends when they meet, if it’s soon after losing Tosh and Owen, he would be very apprehensive about anyone that could take Jack away.
I’m guessing he doesn’t know that the Doctor thinks Jack is wrong, otherwise, it’s probably ‘shoot on sight’.
Re: Jack’s being buried: The ring wasn’t only a beacon, when it was combined with the (magic) coat it created a time-delayed-thin force field around Jack, this kept Jack (and the coat) intact and no more damaged then he already was.
OH MY GOD WHERE IS ALL THE YVONNE/IANTO
Hi. I have friended you, because you give great meta and also use super skientific polls in fandom (my real life job is research analyst. I once did a fandom poll and used SPSS on the data (and found indeed that the less educated and straighter a person, the less realistic their pr0n scenes were (het and slash). Which is sort of a "durrrr" but now it is a FACT, at least in my skewed sample in my skewed methodology. *lalalahophop*)
Anyway. Also, you seem to have originated supermanwhorespy thing, also Ianto's family being DEAD, and many other fannish delusions-turned-reality which suggests you are either super intuitive, rilly SMART, or you in fact write for Torchwood and any of those three reasons are reasons for me to read you.
Also your kid is seriously cute.
So hi.
I voted in both polls and both times chose things I don't really believe, just cause I think they could be possible. Me, I'm all about Ianto as a timelord baby with his timelord self hidden in a stopwatch somwhere, raised by dead, welsh people. Or he came through the rift from planet Vintage Nostalgia. Which is why he slept with Yvonne Hartman and went to work for TW, cause if it is alien, it is hers. For real.
As for Jack, I am choosing to believe he died a few times and then stayed dead. However I think Chinball-o-fluff probably did mean for him to die over and over for 1800 years and is leaving that great gaping plothole of missing insanity, drooling, claustrophia and fear of the hothouse to whoever takes over from here. And because it is too much to contemplate it will just be ignored, lalalalala.
And the coat's magic. and as much as the idea of Jack dominating woobie Ianto until he passes out from ecstacy appeals, I saw Ianto's the dom in reality. If they were actually real, I mean.
Anyway. Also, you seem to have originated supermanwhorespy thing, also Ianto's family being DEAD, and many other fannish delusions-turned-reality which suggests you are either super intuitive, rilly SMART, or you in fact write for Torchwood and any of those three reasons are reasons for me to read you.
Also your kid is seriously cute.
So hi.
I voted in both polls and both times chose things I don't really believe, just cause I think they could be possible. Me, I'm all about Ianto as a timelord baby with his timelord self hidden in a stopwatch somwhere, raised by dead, welsh people. Or he came through the rift from planet Vintage Nostalgia. Which is why he slept with Yvonne Hartman and went to work for TW, cause if it is alien, it is hers. For real.
As for Jack, I am choosing to believe he died a few times and then stayed dead. However I think Chinball-o-fluff probably did mean for him to die over and over for 1800 years and is leaving that great gaping plothole of missing insanity, drooling, claustrophia and fear of the hothouse to whoever takes over from here. And because it is too much to contemplate it will just be ignored, lalalalala.
And the coat's magic. and as much as the idea of Jack dominating woobie Ianto until he passes out from ecstacy appeals, I saw Ianto's the dom in reality. If they were actually real, I mean.
Can't you just see it now? Donna and Doctor trying to figure out why they're shaking and weak at the knees, and meanwhile Jack and Ianto are having TARDIS-enhanced telepathic sex? And Martha (who comes along for a ride) laughing at everybody else?
I'd pay money to see it.
I'd pay money to see it.
Polls are marvelous.
I did have something else to say but I can't be sure since I haven't seen Exit Wounds yet.
Nicole
I did have something else to say but I can't be sure since I haven't seen Exit Wounds yet.
Nicole
When I worked at the uni I was actually going to get someone to explain SPSS to me so I could use it in my analysis of pre and post Doomsday fics, I was going to see if there was a statistically significant difference in something, though I don't actually rememeber what. I never did in the end. Though I seem to remember drawing a graph in the shape of a cock and posting it on Time and Chips.
I kind of miss Rose in fic. She came so easily and often.
I kind of miss Rose in fic. She came so easily and often.
Another good poll, here are my additional comments on some of the questions :
THE FOLLOWING QUESTION AGAIN FOR THE PURISTS: Jack/Ianto, where are they at right now?
I think Jack and Ianto are both very committed to the realtionship, I just think they don't realize how committed the other is. At this point, I think they are monogamous.
Does Jack sleep?
I answered #2 which I think is overall how I feel. However, I think he and Ianto are spending more time together overnight and I like to think when he is sleeping with Ianto, he sleeps more, not because he's worn out [LOL] but because he is more at peace.
If Ianto were to meet the Doctor, how would they be together?
I answered # 5 which fits closest to how I feel. I think the Doctor would like Ianto but I think Ianto would be wary and somewhat jealous. But, I don't see him putting the Doctor down or making snide remarks and facial gestures.
Was Jack REALLY buried for ALL THAT TIME, how often did he die and and how did this affect him?
I answered #4 because I do think he was buried all that time and died only once or twice....not sure I think it was the MAGIC coat. I just think, buried with no air, he really couldn't have come back to life over and over. If there were air, yes, but no air, I don't think so.
That was fun, thanks !
THE FOLLOWING QUESTION AGAIN FOR THE PURISTS: Jack/Ianto, where are they at right now?
I think Jack and Ianto are both very committed to the realtionship, I just think they don't realize how committed the other is. At this point, I think they are monogamous.
Does Jack sleep?
I answered #2 which I think is overall how I feel. However, I think he and Ianto are spending more time together overnight and I like to think when he is sleeping with Ianto, he sleeps more, not because he's worn out [LOL] but because he is more at peace.
If Ianto were to meet the Doctor, how would they be together?
I answered # 5 which fits closest to how I feel. I think the Doctor would like Ianto but I think Ianto would be wary and somewhat jealous. But, I don't see him putting the Doctor down or making snide remarks and facial gestures.
Was Jack REALLY buried for ALL THAT TIME, how often did he die and and how did this affect him?
I answered #4 because I do think he was buried all that time and died only once or twice....not sure I think it was the MAGIC coat. I just think, buried with no air, he really couldn't have come back to life over and over. If there were air, yes, but no air, I don't think so.
That was fun, thanks !
That's my take on Ianto meeting the Doctor too. There would probably be eyerolling and snarky comments (c'mon it's Ianto), but I think they'd get along great.
LOVE this set of questions, so funny. My completely arbitrary opinions:
Ianto doesn't really speak Welsh - grew up in Cardiff not the Valleys, doesn't go into as heavy an accent as Gwen when he gets upset.
Ianto would NOT like the Doctor -- took Jack away (Are you going back to HIM?) and Canary Wharf.
Jack/Ianto on the D/s front -- after 2/13 on top of everything else, I don't think Jack's into bondage games any more
On being buried - I went for "the writers are lazy and hate us" because that whole storyline was all kinds of stupid and ridiculous.
On the TW dykes -- oh yes, he was so their sex toy.
Either Ianto tampered with his record to make himself less intimidating, or he got his job at Canary Wharf the same way he tried to get a job from Jack: tight jeans and excellent coffee. I can totally see sex with Yvonne (actually, I think Yvonne outdid Jack in the sex-with-employees department, all the pretty boys)
Ianto doesn't really speak Welsh - grew up in Cardiff not the Valleys, doesn't go into as heavy an accent as Gwen when he gets upset.
Ianto would NOT like the Doctor -- took Jack away (Are you going back to HIM?) and Canary Wharf.
Jack/Ianto on the D/s front -- after 2/13 on top of everything else, I don't think Jack's into bondage games any more
On being buried - I went for "the writers are lazy and hate us" because that whole storyline was all kinds of stupid and ridiculous.
On the TW dykes -- oh yes, he was so their sex toy.
Either Ianto tampered with his record to make himself less intimidating, or he got his job at Canary Wharf the same way he tried to get a job from Jack: tight jeans and excellent coffee. I can totally see sex with Yvonne (actually, I think Yvonne outdid Jack in the sex-with-employees department, all the pretty boys)
Edited 2008-04-17 15:46 (UTC)
Re Jack being buried...I like this explanation. Fits with how I was thinking, which is kind of based on the Highlander series - when an immortal dies, if he is still in the same situation that killed him (ie...being buried), he stays dead until the situation changes. I can't imagine that Jack would've been able to come back to life without air, and the air would've been gone pretty quickly.
Which is why I'm not upset over the fact that Jack seemed pretty ok mentally when he came back...if he was dead until TW dug him up then it would just be like waking up. The same is true of being frozen for 100 years. The episode with Tommy indicated that it was just like waking up the next day, instead of being aware that a whole year had passed.
In that case, from Jack's perspective, it's only been like a couple of days since he left and not the 2000+ years it actually was.
No explanation for the coat though...it's got to be magic just to survive that long!
Which is why I'm not upset over the fact that Jack seemed pretty ok mentally when he came back...if he was dead until TW dug him up then it would just be like waking up. The same is true of being frozen for 100 years. The episode with Tommy indicated that it was just like waking up the next day, instead of being aware that a whole year had passed.
In that case, from Jack's perspective, it's only been like a couple of days since he left and not the 2000+ years it actually was.
No explanation for the coat though...it's got to be magic just to survive that long!
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