Torchwood...

[tencrush]

So...


Jack has a daughter. A grown-up daughter. Why are people making such a fuss over this? Doesn't it really stand to reason that the guy would have procreated at some point in his exceedingly long existence?

Now, guys, I love Ianto, you all know I do, but why does every reaction I've read to this news involve people going "OMG What's Ianto going to have to say about this ??! O_o!!?!1!" Why would Ianto even care that Jack stuck it up some fanny in the swinging sixties (judging from her age)? Why would Ianto knowing or not knowing have any bearing on their relationship? There's a lot Ianto doesn't know about Jack, he doesn't really seem to have a problem with that, surely? And anyway, why is everyone assuming Jack has a daughter that he knew about?

I know what Ianto's going to have to say about this, and it's not "Oh my God you didn't tell me you had a daughter you bastard you don't really love me and want to have my babies I'm leaving you and I'm taking the puppy!!cri!!?11!", rather it's along the same levels of emotional intensity as everything else Ianto has had to say about The Things He Didn't Know About Jack. He's going to say "Oh... Coffee?"

INORITE??

ETA: I'm fucking sick of all the fangirls imposing this weird-arsed hetero, monogamous, full-disclosure, true-love view on this relationship, especially from Ianto's point of view, like it's been stated at some fucking meeting that I didn't attend that Ianto's looking for Jack to provide him with love and marriage and gay puppies in a picket-fenced garden. It hasn't, and for the record, the absolute KING of non-disclosure, secrecy and emotional reserve is IANTO himself. Watch it again. (Yes, I still stand by what I said, and that's that I think Ianto's in love with Jack, or it's certainly been played that way, but SO WHAT? It's beside the point when it comes to what these two want from this relationship.)

ETA AGAIN: So, bearing in mind that Jack is Russell's Doctor-lite in Torchwood, with the emo and the ManPain, this is what will happen: Jack will TELL US (maybe we'll be lucky and he'll tell Ianto in a rare fit of Talking To Ianto About Emotional Things) about his emo and not having a family because it's OMGtoopainful to watch those you love die. Cue daughter he never knew he had and overacted emo. Daughter eventually dies in order to HAMMER HOME the point of the ImmortalManPain for those of us too dim to have got it the first time around. Cue more of Jack's overacted emo after which perhaps he stares into space on a rooftop for a bit. No, having thought about it, then he stares in silence at a picture of her as a baby and her mother. Then he puts the picture away in his locked box of pictures manpain pictures, which is a METAPHOR for his "locked" "box" of "manpain" "pictures" "manpain". GET IT???? YES???? Fin.

Comments

[teaboyfan.livejournal.com]

Love your take on this development! In the first place, it would be a bit of a shock if she weren't older than Ianto; if Jack has been around since 1869 he could have had greatgrandchildren who've died of old age, so what's the big deal? And if Jack did know about her, I can't see Ianto getting upset about not being told. It has always been Gwen who pushes to know more than Jack is willing to tell, and Ianto who quietly gives him space and just listens. Because, see, Ianto is an adult male who loves and respects Jack deeply, but I can't go along with some of the younger fangirls who want Jack to be his whole life. As Byron said, "Man's love is of his life a thing apart; 'tis woman's whole existence" (or something like that). At least when you're 14, if I can remember that many years ago.

[fide-et-spe.livejournal.com]

I'm fully expecting it to be some kind of flashback, like the awful star wars costume flashback of Boeshane. Or a daughter who is from the future. I wonder if Ianto will even meet her, or be in the same scenes as her. I really hope it isn't some kind of Dynasty scenario, where Jack's forgotten children suddenly appear.

I agree with you, in canon Ianto's strongest reaction has been sarcasm, he might be extreme enough to resort to that.

Of course Jack should be sterile, being a fixed point in time, his sperms wouldn't swim, but you know, they can hardly be accused on following through with their previous exposition.

Introducing wild speculation

[kayellr.livejournal.com]

My pet theory: Alice will be shown in a flash back scene and revealed to be Gwen's mother/grandmother/great.... And possibly the daughter of the nameless bride from Jack's box of angst. (here's where the greats could come in)

Ianto's reaction? Either he already knows (he does know EVERYTHING) or eyebrow lift and "well, that explains a lot."

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[(Anonymous)]

for people who didnt no jack's daughter alice also has a son called stephen so jack is a father and a grandaddad so ianto will be in total shock