tencrush: (jackanto subtext)
tencrush ([personal profile] tencrush) wrote2008-04-06 05:00 pm

Torchwood - Exit Wounds, the Jack/Ianto story


Okay, I have to admit, I was totally spoiled for this episode, I knew Jack was going to be buried for 2000 years, and I have to conclude that knowing this fact totally made me get my hopes up. I figured that there would be repercussions from the 2000 year thing. I didn't know what those repercussions might be, but I figured Jack/Ianto would either be OVER, or we'd get some sort of on-screen confirmation that this is more than a fuckbuddy thing for Jack. And yes, I KNOW what Jack said in TTLM, and I KNOW there's been lots of hints about how Jack feels about Ianto, but hints can only really carry a story for so long. So yes, personally, I was disappointed there wasn't much going on on the shipping front.

Ianto was very upset, that was blatantly obvious, about Jack being missing, that was played well and it was abundantly clear how happy he was to have Jack back. But, again, I didn't really see much from Jack about where he stands with Ianto. (Have you read the Captain's blog for Adrift, by the way? They seem to be SHOVING it down the Americans' throats, but that's half-canon, aimed at one specific audience, why just there? Why can't we be shown any clarity on screen, seriously?)

Sure, they're not majorly affectionate with each other, and I didn't expect Ianto to fall into Jack's arms like Gwen did, that would have been completely OOC. But I would have liked to have seen a scene akin to the Gwen/Rhys thing on the sofa, just to let us know whether these two crazy kids are still together. As an aside, I think that scene WAS probably filmed and cut, and I think those two crazy kids ARE still together. I just don't think, on the whole, the writing has done a great job of proving that to me throughout the season, and especially not in this episode. Sorry, dudes, but that was a bit fail.

[identity profile] love-jackianto.livejournal.com 2008-04-06 03:48 pm (UTC)(link)
'Have you read the Captain's blog for Adrift, by the way? They seem to be SHOVING it down the American's throats, but that's half-canon, aimed at one specific audience, why just there?'
It's always been like that. I think whomever writes the blog is a Jack/Ianto shipper.

I do wish Jack/Ianto would have had at least one little moment (Ianto breaks down after Gwen leaves and Jack comforts him or something).

[identity profile] rowanswhimsy.livejournal.com 2008-04-06 03:55 pm (UTC)(link)
Or vice versa -- just like the blog states for Adrift. Let Jack cry his heart out over Grey, Tosh, and Owen while Ianto holds him. That would speak volumes to me about what Jack feels about Ianto if he relies on Ianto for that type of comfort.

[identity profile] love-jackianto.livejournal.com 2008-04-06 04:00 pm (UTC)(link)
'Or vice versa -- just like the blog states for Adrift. Let Jack cry his heart out over Grey, Tosh, and Owen while Ianto holds him. That would speak volumes to me about what Jack feels about Ianto if he relies on Ianto for that type of comfort.'
Now that I would have loved to have seen. Maybe we'll get something like that in Series 3, but I'm starting to doubt it.

[identity profile] rowanswhimsy.livejournal.com 2008-04-06 04:35 pm (UTC)(link)
We'll get it in fanfic, I'm sure. :-)

[identity profile] melody2tds.livejournal.com 2008-04-07 06:35 am (UTC)(link)
Maybe what Jack needs is the unconditional forgiveness that he gets from Ianto. After Lisa, after leaving him with no word, after having to do things that even the rest of the team take a long time to trust him with. Ianto trusts him, and forgives him his mistakes pretty consistently. Granted, Jack seems to do the same for Ianto, as well. Jack seems to forgive easily, for just about anything, without reservation. But how often does he get the same in return?
As a specific contrast, Gwen seems to jump to blaming im numerous times, and then while she eventually lets it go (usually after having been proven incontrovertably WRONG), she seems to have a hard time forgiving him for disappointing her.

On top of that, Ianto seems to be something of a stable base of quiet support. He's always there, at Jack's back, supporting his decisions. Especially in S2. Along with being someone Jack opens up to more than he even does with Gwen.
Gwen got to know his secrets through circumstances beyond Jack's control, and that continued through most of the 1st series. Probably because she's the only one he had to talk to about those things. at the time. She doesn't seem to be the one who gets that anymore.
Ianto is the one he's more open with, now. Ianto also doesn't seem to feel the need to push Jack into being a better person. He behaves more like he already knows that Jack is a good person, and Jack rises to those expectations much more than he does to being chided into it.

Now contrast that with the Doctor, who usually expects the worst from Jack, and doesn't really acknowledge how very much he's changed for the better, no matter how desperately Jack might want him to.

So, I think there's plenty of indication that Jack needs Ianto for more than just a bit of kinky stress-relief.

I like to think that, despite what was originally implied, and even Jack's own intentions in hiring her, Gwen isn't HIS conscience. She's the conscience of Torchwood as a whole. It's really Ianto who serves as Jack's personal reminder not to let go of his own humanity.

[identity profile] rowanswhimsy.livejournal.com 2008-04-07 11:34 am (UTC)(link)
But they'll give it to us in the blog. Very cynical pandering on the part of the show.