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tencrush ([personal profile] tencrush) wrote2008-04-04 08:51 am

Stuffs...


  • THAT SPOILER, DUDES. I told you WEEKS ago that Gareth's a big fat liar and we'd see him in Who soon. Watch this space, it's fucking true, I tells ya.

  • Oh, and you know there was an interview with Marsters a while back which was ostensibly about Whedon and the Spike movie and such, but he did let slip he already had Torchwood filming lined up in his diary for next year, right?

  • Having said that, I think that rumour a while back about TW only being recommissioned for a five-episode stint might well be true. I think they're going for ANOTHER revamp, and they've SO got US dollars on the brain. Which is funny, yo because the dollar's so sucky right now. But all this would take place after the elections, so per definition the dollar would be less sucky, but still.

  • Wow, the writer's strike and the absence of any new drama in the US did this show SO MANY FAVOURS, didn't it? Seriously. If you see US interest as a favourable development, that is.

  • What I mean is, I think us Whovians seriously underestimate how many fans of the Buffyverse came into TW season two, for a lack of anything better to watch anyway, watched for the Spike and stayed for the slash. It's the most fortunate set of circumstances that could ever have befallen a British drama series and if you don't think BBC Wales are SCRAMBLING and tripping over their own feet right now to take advantage of that situation, you are VERY WRONG.

  • I wish Torchwood was Welsher than it is. And seeing as they seemingly based Ianto's character almost ENTIRELY on internet fanon, I wish they'd run with what seems to be the unanimous internet opinion that Ianto speaks fluent Welsh. Damn them.


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[identity profile] holdingoff.livejournal.com 2008-04-04 12:22 pm (UTC)(link)
the SciFi channel has the first-run rights to Doctor Who for series 4. SciFi actually has first-run rights to Doctor Who in the US until 2010, so BBC America has to make do with being a second-run carrier along with PBS (who used to be the only way to see Doctor Who in the US).

the original general manager of BBC America for whatever reason didn't think DW would play to the intended market so they passed on DW (technically, BBCA is a licensed identity operated by Discovery Networks, not the BBC). i'm sure the people running the channel now are spitting nails at not having the DW franchise, but they do have TW and aren't letting that get away. but they did let Sarah Jane Adventures go to SciFi oddly enough.

writing balanced scripts for large ensemble casts is hard. writing 2-person scenes is easy. it can work, if the writers spread the story out. parts of reset worked because you had all the members doing different things that carried the story forward.

i honestly don't know if tosh had fewer lines in this series than Ianto- his were more spread out while she got almost everything in a single episode.

personally, RTD annoys the heck out of me. the creative types i've worked with don't just throw an idea over the fence and let others deal with it- they participate.

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[identity profile] holdingoff.livejournal.com 2008-04-04 01:51 pm (UTC)(link)
"making a name for himself as the guy who finally successfully brought The Gay to a mainstream-ish large scale American audience."

eh, too late. while i don't think will & grace did much other than play stereotypes; brothers & sisters has a very active gay lead character played, ironically enough, by matthew rhys, who is from cardiff!

RTD believes his own press, that's some of the problem. i just hope TW survives mostly intact and gets placed in the hands of someone that actually cares about it and doesn't see it as a stepping stone *cough*chibnall*cough*.

[identity profile] rowanswhimsy.livejournal.com 2008-04-04 03:35 pm (UTC)(link)
He doesn't seem to like Americans very much, either.

[identity profile] erinnthered.livejournal.com 2008-04-05 12:03 am (UTC)(link)
RTD? He loves Americans. His whole idea for Torchwood was to take the British Sci-Fi idea and Americanize it. While he has succeeded in some of the glossier aspects, he hasn't succeeded in the storytelling. I agree with Holdingoff that he is not hiring the correct writers for this show. I actually wish he'd bring in a few Americans. US shows handle ensemble casts like this much better. There's something to be said for the classic A and B storyline style of writing.

I'm finding it hard to believe Chibnall doesn't believe in story bibles, especially since Dick Wolf snatched him up. Wolf is progressive, but still a bit old school. I'm thinking he was towing the RTD party line.

Somebody needs to stand up to RTD, and now. I agree that this is a window for RTD in the US, but I worry that this five episode event television week will hurt him severely. I'm with holdingoff in believing that BBCA is probably desperately trying to negotiate more episodes. I wouldn't be surprised if they are offering money at this point. I'm also betting RTD is having trouble wrapping his head around the idea that anyone could love Torchwood more than Who. I really think he thought Torchwood would always be his little pet side project. Oops.

Also, I just read recently that GDL doesn't know but two words of Welsh. He spoke some in that Stephen Fry show, but I guess he learned it for the scenes.

[identity profile] rowanswhimsy.livejournal.com 2008-04-05 12:06 am (UTC)(link)
Really? Aren't Americans the part of the fanbase that he calls mingmongs?

[identity profile] erinnthered.livejournal.com 2008-04-05 01:06 am (UTC)(link)
No, the ming mongs referred to the "overenthusiastic" fans. Like the ones who freaked out because the TARDIS in the new series isn't the proper dimensions for an actual Police Call Box. (hence the joke line in Blink)

It had nothing to so with nationality. It was mostly directed at the English fan, if anything.

[identity profile] rowanswhimsy.livejournal.com 2008-04-05 01:13 am (UTC)(link)
Meh. I had enough of that sort of insult from Joss Whedon during my Buffy fandom days. RTD sounds like a true disciple.

[identity profile] erinnthered.livejournal.com 2008-04-05 02:20 am (UTC)(link)
I can understand your feelings, but RTD said it with a lot of love and hurt. He's a huge fan himself. The Whoniverse is really very different from most other fandoms. The only one I can think of that is similar is Star Trek. With both of them there is a large section of the fan base that literally grew up on the shows.

RTD has an ego problem, absolutely, but it comes from a different place than Whedon's. He's one of us, and feels that those more eccentric fans bring down the whole. Including himself. Joss just has a God complex. Maybe RTD is developing one too, especially with the spin-offs, but that's not where that comment came from.

I don't agree with the tone of it, or the language, but it came from a feeling of personal insult by certain other fans, and not just a desire to put his minions in their place. That I understand.

[identity profile] nightspring.livejournal.com 2008-04-04 02:21 pm (UTC)(link)
i honestly don't know if tosh had fewer lines in this series than Ianto- his were more spread out while she got almost everything in a single episode.

*sigh* Poor Tosh. I'm finding that it's hard to work her into a team vid, because there's so few shots of her, unless it's an episode specifically focused on Tosh like Geeks Bearing Gifts and To The Last Man. Ianto is somehow significant even when he appears for only a minute in an episode -- for instance, he only has two or three brief scenes in Small Worlds, but I keep watching those scenes over and over trying to puzzle out where his relationship with Jack is at that stage. Tosh is just doing background exposition unless the episode is focused on her.