And seriously, guys...

[tencrush]

SHE'S HIS FUCKING WIFE!!

She's not Rose, she's not Jenny, she's not the Rani, she's not Romana. River Song is the Doctor's wife from the future. She's going to die in the next episode. He will spend all that time with her, doing all that funstuff in her diary, knowing precisely how and when she will inevitably die.

Paradoxes, inevitability, fate, curse of a Time Lord... Jesus Christ to hear fandom talking you'd think they'd never seen a Moffat episode before.

EDITED TO ADD SOMETHING I POSTED IN THE COMMENTS: I don't understand what everyone's so worked up about, she's not the next companion, she's his lover/wife from some point in the future. We'll more than likely never see her again. It's about time travel and the weirdness involved. It's about the Doctor losing the woman he loves, BEFORE HE LOVES HER. It's about her dying in the arms of a man WHO DOESN'T LOVE HER YET. It's a timey-wimey Moffat story, nothing more.

Moffat's apparent fascination with the mechanics of time travel make me tremendously excited about his tenure as boss. I think if Moffat does go for any sort of overriding story arc, it will be far more clever than Rusty's namechecking "Torchwood" every bloody episode, and will probably deal with the same themes he seems so fond of, fixed history, inevitability of events, consequences of past and future actions. I'm excited about Moffat, really I am.

Comments

[tencrush]

She doesn't have to come back at any point in the near future. She could be his wife 100 years from now in his timeline.

[descrime.livejournal.com]

I don't understand why people are freaking out, because after next episode, she's never coming back. Her adventures with the doctor take the form of a book line or audio series. She will not be a companion so there's no need for the fandom implosion. This isn't directed at you, but I'm also getting a little sick of the insistence by fandom that Rose was the most awesome Companion ever and the only one the Doctor will ever love.

[descrime.livejournal.com]

Oh, I don't think it's a problem, but I think it's why fandom as a whole is reacting so negatively to her.

[tencrush]

No. that's not how Moffat works, that's a Russell solution. What happens in that book has happened, full stop. Her dying now doesn't stop any of that happening, in fact it probably even causes it to happen in the first place. Whenever it is that it happens, which, like a said, could be a century from now. Or two.

[descrime.livejournal.com]

Do you mean personally or narratively, because while I agree that Donna is my favorite of the NuWho companions, narratively, she's had several episodes where her role has been reduced to standing around while other people do stuff.

[descrime.livejournal.com]

Sorry, that would have her adventures with the doctor will take... And it's only my opinion, but I think it's the most likely solution.

[longlostblue.livejournal.com]

Your icon... *ogles* Is that a fan or something?

[longlostblue.livejournal.com]

As much as I'm really not digging River Song, I'm still amazed by all the weird theories about her! I mean, why can't she just be his future wife? Theories are fun to a point, but it just seems pretty obvious.

[lightfromlight.livejournal.com]

Same here, but I'm on the opposite end--it seems that after living long enough, he finds life simpler without sex or romantic love.

But the beauty of a good character is being able to see what one wants to see.

[garpu.livejournal.com]

This isn't directed at you, but I'm also getting a little sick of the insistence by fandom that Rose was the most awesome Companion ever and the only one the Doctor will ever love.

Wordy McWord. It's like they're ignoring everything before 2005.

[descrime.livejournal.com]

Yeah, I don't get why people are worried that she'll be the next companion. Moffat went out of his way to comment on how much younger the Doctor looked, which seemed to me to be a shout out to fandom that they didn't need to worry about her being the Companion in season 5.

I love the idea that this meeting actually causes they're eventual relationship because I can see the Doctor avoiding her for a century or two out of sheer bloody-mindedness, but then his curiosity will get the better of him and he'll pop in to visit her and find her kind of interesting and then he'll leave and then he'll wonder so he'll come back to see if he missed something and the cycle will repeat till eventually they fall in love and get married.

[pink-soprano.livejournal.com]

A bit of both. I think her personality is just so strong and fantastic that she'll never really be in any danger of being lost in an episode. I also don't think she's been overshadowed yet in any of the episodes. Even as a face on a statue she's an important plot point.

I suppose I do prefer an ensemble cast in general to a "Person A and Sidekick B" style of writing, which has been why this character heavy season hasn't upset me, but I truly don't think Donna has been shoved aside yet, and I doubt she ever will be.

[a-flame-within.livejournal.com]

I think the Master in disguise thing is only because of the "I trust this man to the end of the universe. In fact, I have." comment or whatever River said in the trailer. That's the only reason I could see for any connection to the Master.

[lightfromlight.livejournal.com]

I'm very sick of it and that's why I'm amused at the anti-River backlash.

[lightfromlight.livejournal.com]

There was a show before 2005? Stop saying silly things.

[lightfromlight.livejournal.com]

[garpu.livejournal.com]

My mistake. ;)

[vinylsigns.livejournal.com]

I don't know about a lot of people, but I personally don't like her for a couple reasons, astoundingly enough, not because I'm in the ZOMG ROSE/DOCTOR OTP 4EVAR camp (because I'm not. Though I like the pairing, I can deal with pretty much any non-squicky combo fandom can throw at me)

It's pretty much because of huge breaks in logic; I know it's all wibbly-wobbly, but I hate being dropped in the middle of a relationship and being expected to have some sort of emotional resonance with it when A) it's basically a lifted storyline and B) I can really only take comfort in the fact that the Doctor is just as bewildered at her forwardness as we are.

Speaking of her behavior, it strikes me that if she really was following the Doctor's rules on timelines, she wouldn't continue to make advances on him, esp. after she realizes he hasn't met her yet. Couple that with the fact that she keeps dropping hints like that and with the sonic screwdriver then having the gall to say "No, you no can has--is spoilers" is just plain stupid and irresponsible. And oh yeah, the total anvil-like subtlety with Donna. Yeah. Real smooth, River.

I do realize that this could all just be for added dramatic effect, but I think it could be handled so much better.

[longlostblue.livejournal.com]

Good lord, if I was that woman I'd be squealing like a school child...

[descrime.livejournal.com]

Honestly, in some ways, I think old Who's treatment of companions is better if only because didn't all have bloody UST with the Doctor. Of course then you also have Sarah Jane tripping down a flat piece of ground and twisting her ankle and then later in the same episode having Susan trip over a bloody big rock and twist her ankle too (I'm thinking Five Doctors).

[lightfromlight.livejournal.com]

I probably would have been jumping up and down too much to do any ruffling.

But I also have sort of a hair fetish.

[garpu.livejournal.com]

Eh, you know, I don't mind some attraction/flirtation, but I have a hard time with *everyone* seeming to fall for the Doctor. For me, Donna's a breath of fresh air. (Loved her "Hands!" comment in the last episode.)

[lightfromlight.livejournal.com]

DOCTOR/ROSE 4EVA!!!!

[garpu.livejournal.com]

TURLOUGH/KAMELEON OTP!

[longlostblue.livejournal.com]

Hell, I would pay big money to run my hands through David's hair... even just one swipe!