tencrush | *reads preliminary reports from the Rift*

RIGHT when I read he said that, omg, I thought of you. NO JOKE.

Which bit, the fucking or the cock?

I was told a long time ago that that time when GDL said at a con that Ianto was bisexual for his own purposes, several people's thoughts had turned immediately to me and my manwhorespy theory, and it kind of felt like I had vicariously attended said con in a Doctor/pixiejesus type of way. I feel that way again now, re both the fucking, and the cock.

The fucking from the very beginning bit.

You should pretty fucking psychic, if you ask me. Granted, it doesn't make it canon, but it makes it pretty damn justifiable. I wonder if GDL has ever been on LJ.

I'll bet he has. Maybe he's the one stealing Ianto's backstory from my personal fanon. It would certainly make sense that he would be the only one doing any actual researchh let's face it.

I'll bet he's reading this as we speak.

Edited 2008-04-27 03:30 (UTC)

It was apparently said just after he had been asked about fanfiction and what he loved about the fics. His reply as that he loved the "filth" the best. :D So I'm thinking this is GDL's way to make people write more filthy fics for him to read....

oh and an interesting interview with Gareth shortly after filming the second season he has this to say on http://www.garethdavid-lloyd.co.uk/qa.html

"Q: Do you think Ianto wanted Jack from the start in Torchwood?
A: If he did, he didn't know it himself. Maybe the sense of something was always there, but it took some time for it to become clear in his mind. There's stuff in Episode Twelve of Season Two that gives a hint."

'Ah-ha! Gareth says Jack and Ianto have probably been fucking all along.'

Gareth took ANOTHER one of your ideas. You really should get payed as a writer for the show.

Ha! Love it!

I've had someone in town..still do actually...can someone direct me to the best places for con reports. Outside DWF. I'll read them tomorrow.

Finally catching up on the reviews. I think that I shall defer to your superior knowledge of all things Ianto from now on. That or...Hi Gareth!

I'm hoping we get some more complete video. The fan service stuff is cute, but I'm also interested in the discussion of his character and I really want to hear James' monologue on string theory and the existence of God. There are no words for how much I want to see that.

A+ on the outfits. The pants fit, the dodgy facial hair is gone, and he looks damn fine. I still want to see him with a full beard one of these days. The hipster look suits him.

I found his assertion that Marsters' TV tastes were pretentious utterly hilarious given his own tastes in music. He seems to have good taste in music, but still.

Is it just me, or are the sex jokes from GDL already old? It's one thing to act a bit 12 in a cute/ ironic way (the fisting monologue), but all these sex jokes and references just make me think he just not that sexually experienced. Certainly not sexually mature.

*waves at GDL*
I haven't even seen any video yet, I haven't really had time. I've heard stories about the sex jokes, yes. I have my own theories about GDL and sex and they're pretty much along the same lines as yours. I may expand them into an essay for

eldersquee. I lose.

Gareth calling anyone pretentious is pretty damn hilarious.

I haven't watched the video, but based on recaps, I tend to think he's playing to the audience, you know give them what he thinks the majority wants. I read one review in which an attendee stated she believed the flirtatious overtone between he and James Marsters was complete fanservice. And really, the way some people seem to melt over John Barrowman’s rather colorful way of sharing and expressing himself, who could blame Gareth for believing it's what the Jack/Ianto, Ianto fandom wants.

Yes, a definite improvement on his looks in general.

I think he's INCREDIBLY astute when it comes to fanservice. He completely plays into what he knows people want to hear. He's a very clever boy. (Doesn't mean I don't still have my theories about his predilection for innuendo, but they're for another day.)

Yes, very astute. In fact, if you haven't, you should read this review of The Rift. The most detailed and objective I've seen. She's cool with linking.

http://fairyd123.livejournal.com/71840.html

I guess I'm trying to make a distinction between fan service (the fisting speech or the Captain Sandwich quip), and constantly making extremely lewd and bawdy jokes and comments (the Jack and Jill joke, the Summer Lovin' adlibs, Bam Bam - okay the last one is both). It's a fine line, but one that he doesn't seem to be able to see.

Although, given the knowledge that he has a new gf, who seems to think it's all pretty funny, this may not be servicing the fans so much as servicing his cock.

Ah, but then, you see, like I keep saying, he is that exact age where pretty much everything he does is probably about servicing his cock. I cut him a lot of slack because he has gone from being a complete unknown to rampant internet speculation about the size of his penis within about a year and a half, and that's enough to drive any guy his age into doing exactly what it is he does, and it surprises me that he hasn't fucked his way through half of this fandom by now. Or that, at the very least, we haven't heard about it.

I DO believe there's a certain amount of sexual naivete there, sure, but I think that's only to be expected from a guy his age. Before TW he would likely have had a couple of girlfriends who, usually the case in guys around 25, were probably younger than he was, and now, since Torchwood, not only would they probably be younger than him but also they'd pretty likely be on the easily awed side of the spectrum. In my experience, yeah, guys who make a lot of jokes about having their cocks sucked have never really expertly had their cocks sucked, because then they tend to get a bit more reverential about the whole business.

(Like I say, though, that's a small part of the appeal of a boy like Gareth. There's that dirty old woman thing in the back of your mind that KNOWS that you could show him a thing or two that would leave him in a wee shuddering heap in a corner somewhere and keep him coming back for more. On his fucking knees. Or is that just me? *gets TMI coat*)

I've had this strange sort of rethinking about GDL lately. Not so long ago I didn't really follow him all that closely, so I was aware of things, but not in any depth. I think my initial impressions of him led me to think of him like a lot of my male friends, and past boyfriends. Fairly experienced and a bit laid back about sex and sexuality. I think the drama school thing threw me too. Most of the guys I've known who went that route would not be describable as sexually naive. And they all had some time with an older, experienced woman.

This recent information coming out has caused, and I'm sorry to use this again, but a bit of cognitive dissonance. It's not what I expected. Also, most of the guys I've known, even the not so experienced ones, were past this kind of behavior by 27. Or, at least, at the tail end of it. I was chalking up some of this to having just gotten out of a long term relationship and playing catch up.

I'm thinking he might not be the type to fuck his way through fandom. He really, really wants to be a bad boy. He tries so hard. He even tells us he's bad. I think he might try a groupie or two, but he'll end up picking the wrong ones, or just not get what he's looking for.

I hear what you're saying about the Education of GDL. I can't say the thought never crossed my mind, but...I'm not really interested in a student. Even in fantasy. I am also certain that the line to teach him a thing or two has already begun to form in the front row of his band's shows.

the Education of GDL
LOL. Yeah, I'm not actually talking so much on a personal level, but I think that is part of the general appeal of the toyboy to the discerning slightly more experienced lady about town. It's that thing he has, like you say, something you'd have expected him to have grown out of by now, that makes him come across as very young, and makes me feel very old by comparison, though I'm only six years his senior. The average 27-year-old guy would probably not make me feel like a dirty old woman for perving over him, but for some reason he does. It's kind of weird. (Someone on eldersquee said she made him feel like a dirty old woman when she's bloody YOUNGER than he is.)

LOL. Yeah, I'm not actually talking so much on a personal level

Oh no! I didn't mean that you were. I was just looking for a cute phrase to describe the desire. I was just saying that that's not one of my kinks. I do firmly believe though, that that line has formed. Fo' realz.

I'm just still adjusting from seeing his actions and thinking PHWOAR, to seeing them and thinking AWWW. I saw that post from the younger woman, and the whole thing really just...exactly. But damn, he's pretty.

But about my post above, I really do find it interesting that he is so astute despite his immaturity. When he grow up he'll be quite the force to be reckoned with. All this has got me thinking about his unemployment too. No one will hire him? If you can act and show up on time there is always employment at some level. Either he needs a new agency, or his immaturity is getting the way. I hope that they teach the 'artist as a small business' model in the UK. He could use it. Especially since I could totally see him as the type to have success in America. Chibnall goes nuts over him for a reason. He has the potential. He just has to capitalize on it.

Either he needs a new agency, or his immaturity is getting the way. I hope that they teach the 'artist as a small business' model in the UK. He could use it. Especially since I could totally see him as the type to have success in America. Chibnall goes nuts over him for a reason. He has the potential. He just has to capitalize on it.
I think he needs a new agency. (*googles around* Why haven't CAM London even updated his cv to include Torchwood? *is suspicious*) If I were his agent (I'm saying that a lot lately) I'd totally be whoring him out to the States right now while he's hot. He's got two cons coming up, but that's about it and no telly at all. What happened to the days when the attractive-but-not-conventionally-so-endearingly-accented Ewan McGregors of this world were shoved into ER at any given opportunity? Or possibly House nowadays.

No Er. That's a bastion of suck. His best bets are cable originals. They're quirky and critically acclaimed and right up his alley.

A guest spot on House or something similar would be good for him. I think they start in July too.

If they haven't even updated his online CV - or his headshot - he needs a new agent. What he really needs though, is to market himself. He is a small business and he needs to put down the beer and the bong and start working at getting work.

*shocked* I wasn't seriously suggesting ER. I didn't even realise it was still on. I was seriously suggesting House. And no, they haven't updated his CV or headshot for what looks to be two years. That's fucking shocking, that is.

Sorry. I've actually had people still pull out ER in the recent past. Law and Order shouldn't be off the table though. Any of them. It's a great way to get noticed, and a right of passage for most US actors.

Considering how much attention he should be getting in the UK right now, and the people praising him are not at the bottom of the barrel, I can't believe his agency isn't capitalizing on this. Think of the commissions.

He is ripe for America. I've seen a lot of UK actors who aren't (Ioan Gruffudd, I am looking at you.), but he is. If he could master some sort of nondescript accent...dude. He could be A List if he tried. Totally Sean Penn/ Christian Bale quirky A list type. He's just got that attitude. He fits here.

The thing is, I don't know if he is aiming high enough. He needs to reach for A list to even get there. Even if all he wants is the damn farmhouse in bumfuck Wales, he needs money and free time to do that. Aiming high in his career will get him that.

Considering how much attention he should be getting in the UK right now, and the people praising him are not at the bottom of the barrel, I can't believe his agency isn't capitalizing on this. Think of the commissions.
Yeah, someone's seriously not doing their job right now.

Ioan Gruffudd, I am looking at you.
*sporfle* Fucking WORD.

I do think Gareth could take America pretty easily, there is just something about him that's right for the US.

God, get that boy on House for sure, or some damn HBO show.

He needs a mentor. A mentor who will kick his ass and tell him unpleasant truths.

The thing is, I don't know if he is aiming high enough. He needs to reach for A list

*nodnod*

He needs a small-to-medium but interesting role in a good and noticable movie; a large and interesting role in another series; a lead in a tv movie. Something. Get out there, boy. Be the pride of Wales. Play your cards right and you can keep your Aunty in the splendor she deserves.

Play your cards right and you can keep your Aunty in the splendor she deserves.
She died last week. :(

We were discussing all that shiz here, yeah. I rib on his agent a lot, mostly because of his shocking not-been-updated-in-three-years cv and headshot, but also because:
A) Gareth DOES seem to complain quite a bit about a lack of work, and that's just fucking bizarre for a guy in his position and it means either his agent's not getting off his arse and getting him some minor US shit, which he could easily be in the running for or his agent's let the BBC get away with a strangling exclusive BBC contract and then proceed to not utilise him. Either way that's pretty bad.
B) Gareth REALLY needs someone to sit him down and tell him some home truths, one of which would be to lay off the beer. I'm hearing from every corner that he's WAY less pudgy than he comes across on screen, which means that basically, the camera is just REALLY UNKIND to him, and someone needs to tell him to get a workout, or a tan, or both to improve that. And while they're at it, they need to kick him up the backside generally because complaining about how hard it is to make it in the States doesn't get you anywhere, and he could have guested on House or Law and Order by now without even trying. Or Burn Notice, apparently, that seems to be the popular choice.

She died last week. :(

Oh no! :-( Poor Gareth. I'm sorry I was flippant-- I didn't know. (How did you know?)

I remember coming across his agent's site a while back and being taken aback by the WTFery. Suffocating Beeb contract or no, that's no way to advertise your wares.

Oh, no tan please! His skin is perrrrrrfect. <3 Less beer for sure, for more reasons than one. I realize that "drunkard" is #2 on his list, but it'll catch up with him. Though at his age I was a pretty dedicated drunkard myself, and having myself a time.

I believe the non-pudge reports. His suits are not cut for pudge. They're pretty unforgiving.

Is it wrong that I want to see him on House just to see him in lab whites? You know, I wanted to love that show, but somehow I just can't.

Never heard of Burn Notice...

He mentioned it at the Rift.

I once made a mean joke about his gf in Day One, and said there wasn't a filter in the world that could disguise the pale Welshness of her thighs. I don't really mean a tan, it's just that the British complexion can be pretty camera unfriendly, and quickly makes a person look ill or puffy, a slight glow usually works wonders.

(I'd love to see him on House, too, I don't know why, the idea really appeals. Burn Notice is a comedy drama thing with Bruce Campell, I think it's on USA.)

Ah, I understand. I have a freckles-on-fishbelly Scottish complexion, and a day in the sun does wonders. I thought you meant a full-on tan, which God forbid.

Bruce Campbell! :-D I'd be lyin' if I said the thought of Gareth and Bruce in the same show didn't amuse the heck outta me.

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