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tencrush ([personal profile] tencrush) wrote2011-07-03 05:17 pm

But you LOVE Turchwad!

I will downloads it for you! You loves that wacky show.

I'm finding it very hard to explain, both on this here internets and at home, all the reasons why I'm not interested in Torchwood: Miracle Day. And I don't like pissing in people's chips, either, so I'm not going to rant and rave about how much I don't care about watching it, the truth is I don't really care enough either way to even be vehement about it, and if it gets downloaded for me (lol, seriously, I still don't know how that torrent shizzle works, I am ignorant in these matters and just write things on post its and stick them to his screen), I'll probably give it a go. My main problem at the moment is that all the things that people are now, having seen screeners and such, so very excited about, sound awful to me. Seriously, the more I hear about it, the worse it sounds. But that's just me and YMMV and such.

But, I am the Torchwood prophet, of course, so here's your 100% God's honest TRUTH, it's not even a hunch or prediction, this one, but I guess you could call it spoilers, what with it being an ACTUAL THING THAT WILL HAPPEN, and it's this:

Jack is so dead. Are people actually debating this? Are there actual people out there who think Jack will survive this series? I don't like Jack enough to care, but I am finding it all terribly amusing and I am, of course, looking forward to how the Glee crowd will explain this one away, having said after CoE that Torchwood was about Jack and all the other characters don't matter and of course they're going to die. I shall enjoy reading all that shit.

Also, I am becoming increasingly worried that the whole Amy/Rory/Melody storyline in Who will be handwaved away entirely, and was, in fact, resolved when River said that stuff about the Doctor finding her and taking care of her and not to worry about it. Am I alone in this?

[identity profile] stlscape.livejournal.com 2011-07-03 03:57 pm (UTC)(link)
Jack is so dead.

From what little I've seen/read of TWMD, I'll be shocked if it isn't so, and therefore, I'm NOT going to bet against you. (Also, there's the thought that Rusty had to use Jack to get his Excalibur show on the BBC, and now on TVs in the US, and since that's done, he'll have no further need of Jack.)

TWMD just doesn't sound appealing to me, and I'm definitely not subscribing to Starz to be able to watch it. It sounds like they've removed everything I enjoyed from it.
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[identity profile] fide-et-spe.livejournal.com 2011-07-03 04:17 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm so glad to see you do the prophetess thing, because it's your forte after all. I was just saying this elsewhere, that from what I've read it's clear Jack is dead, and it will be this US sci fi show with Gwen Cooper.

I'm kind of past caring, but I keep seeing UK people say they found the first episode very American, and that it's all very slow. This is not going to last with the Great British Public, or BBC1. So whilst I don't have your powers, the other prediction would be Starz only funding in the future.

JB can't keep playing this role, not if he is going to age, which we all have to do, and he has a very active career anyhow.

Not sure what you mean about River? I think it's going to be difficult for them to explain as it seems the child was abandoned, and plus killed as a child and regenerated, so not sure how Rory and Amy are meant to cope with all that.

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[identity profile] fide-et-spe.livejournal.com 2011-07-03 04:40 pm (UTC)(link)
Yes I'm surprised the Beeb are putting it in a peak time slot, although of course it's hardly peak ratings season. It may only be there for a week or two anyhow. Plus you're right, the BBC aren't going to be funding something that has got all this tax relief from California, it would probably be against the charter or something because it's our tax dollars, and there would be no British benefit at all to the production, whereas they probably got away with it this time by filming a few scenes in Wales.

Not sure what I think re Melody/River. It would be extremely creepy if the Doctor brought her up then had a relationship with her, so I would loathe it if they implied that. I think maybe they'll have a bit of angst, but probably Rory and Amy will leave as companions in order to be wherever the baby is, which presumably is 51st century somewhere. Not sure how that would fit with the child in the spacesuit.

[identity profile] love-jackianto.livejournal.com 2011-07-03 04:32 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm not going to bet against you. Jack is so dead.

[identity profile] ella-caramella.livejournal.com 2011-07-03 04:43 pm (UTC)(link)
I don't like Jack enough to care, but I am finding at all terribly amusing and I am, of course, looking forward to how the Glee crowd will explain this one away, having said after CoE that Torchwood was about Jack and all the other characters don't matter and of course they're going to die. I shall enjoy reading all that shit.

This. And quoted word by word for truth.

RTD already said that he sees just one more story to tell for S5 and Gwen will be at the heart of it. Who needs Capt. Jerk?

[identity profile] dune-drd.livejournal.com 2011-07-03 05:10 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm not too sure. I wouldn't bet against you as it's the logical conclusion, but then just today I heard the Barrowman said in an interview there'd be more Torchwood (with him). I know, links or it didn't happen, but I wouldn't be surprised if Jack's death was a crucial plot point (that makes absolutely no sense...). Let's wait and see. I'll watch, but my enthusiasm for TW is gone

[identity profile] dune-drd.livejournal.com 2011-07-03 05:24 pm (UTC)(link)
Too true. Meh. Well, about Jack, I don't know your children well enough to say if they deserve eating.
If it's America, I'm terribly certain there'll be Jebus references - it's inevitable, really. I'll be interested to see how much it has changed for American TV, though.

[identity profile] eandh99.livejournal.com 2011-07-03 06:15 pm (UTC)(link)
the end of series one of TW was one long,neon-bright Jesus reference, so I won't be surprised. I have zero interest in watching TWMD, but I'll keep an eye on the internet trainwreck if Jack does die. Don't believe a word out of JB's mouth he's the loyallest cheerleader RTD has got.

[identity profile] lawsontl.livejournal.com 2011-07-03 07:04 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh, God, series two was a big ol' Jesus reference, too, down to Jack being crucified in chains instead of on a stick.

I'm amazed JB can get a word in edgewise because he's so busy sucking RTD's metaphorical cock.

[identity profile] dune-drd.livejournal.com 2011-07-03 08:35 pm (UTC)(link)
weeeell, technically a Jesus referencce includes a resurrection of some sort...

[identity profile] ella-caramella.livejournal.com 2011-07-03 08:47 pm (UTC)(link)
Naah. Don't you know that resurrection cheapens the death? The dead must stay dead.

That's why RTD doesn't believe in (the Christian) God, since God cheapened his son's death with a lousy resurrection.

Btw, he said in an interview last year that Gwen is the Holy Mary and Jack is Jesus, so I wouldn't be surprised if he's going to recycle End of Days as well, together with Reset and its big evil Pharma, Dead Man Walking and Day in the Death.

[identity profile] eandh99.livejournal.com 2011-07-04 06:42 pm (UTC)(link)
It's all recycled - RTD is quite open about how all of his current writing is comiing out of his old-scripts drawer - CoE, Miracle Day, all old ideas, non-TW ideas being converted (badly, painfully, like Cybermen weeping oily tears) into TW scripts.

[identity profile] ceindreadh.livejournal.com 2011-07-03 06:46 pm (UTC)(link)
but then just today I heard the Barrowman said in an interview there'd be more Torchwood (with him).

My initial reaction is a "yeah, that's what *he* thinks". Granted he'd have to know by now whether Jack survives miracle day, but JB might think that a dead Jack at the end of the season could be brought back for the next one (assuming he hasn't heard all the 'dead is dead' crap that RTD spews).

Or maybe he's just lying through his teeth just like the cast did in the run up to COE.

[identity profile] lawsontl.livejournal.com 2011-07-03 07:05 pm (UTC)(link)
Well, there's more Torchwood with Ianto now, too, isn't there? That's what flashbacks are for!

[identity profile] wounded-melody.livejournal.com 2011-07-04 03:25 am (UTC)(link)
JB believes that the 7 year option that is in contracts automatically means they will do 7 more seasons...XD

Torchwood: Miracle Whip

[identity profile] caledonius72.livejournal.com 2011-07-03 06:12 pm (UTC)(link)
Torchwood is dead, long live Excalibur.

I'm not fussed either way, if it's on, I might watch it, and if it's pants then i can always exercise my digit and turn the damn telly off. It's been too long since CoE, and i've moved on in terms of fandoms, I'm just not that invested in TW any more.

Can it be only 2 years since you made your last lot of predictions, and I jammed my fingers in my ears and went "la, la, la"???? And then you turned out to be completely exactly right

RTD has got what he wanted, Barrowman is shafted (as far as Jack is concerned) and the Beeb can finally dust it's hands off, and say "there, that's got rid of that"

[identity profile] tigercheetah.livejournal.com 2011-07-03 06:15 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm really not looking forward to MD but curiosity will get the better of me, so I can't help but watch it - I'm drawn to it, whether I like it or not. I could do without John Barrowman constantly going on about his "full on naked" sex scenes though.....

Apparently Ianto gets "lots of mentions" and is mentioned "properly and respectfully" by a still-mourning Jack - apparently. We can only wait and see...

[identity profile] eandh99.livejournal.com 2011-07-03 06:24 pm (UTC)(link)
the other thing that I'm getting a certain bleak entertainment out of? All the DW fans who are swearing "if Moffatt does anything bad to Amy/Rory/both of them that's IT! I'm not watching any more!" and how that reaction is not getting anything like the hostility and venom that the Ianto-fans got. It's fine if they kill off the gay tea-boy, but don't be messing with my heterosexual lust-object or my fantasy het couple.

[identity profile] lawsontl.livejournal.com 2011-07-03 07:13 pm (UTC)(link)
Wait, I thought Torchwood was Gwen's show? She's the eyes of the audience, etc... etc... fap... fap.

Here I thought I was watching an ensemble show about a team led by CJH.

RTD and Julie Gardner once said that Gwen was the only one who gets a pass from death. I think they were being quite precise with that statement. The ONLY way Jack is going to survive this season is if they can up the ante on his man!pain. He's going to think he's finally free to live a mortal life but will have to give it up and save the planet, then live on in continued misery. Burying him alive for 2000 years wasn't quite enough torture porn. Let's make him suffer 2000 years above ground first!

Either that, or he's going to realize that he doesn't want to die after all, so they'll force him to die to save us losers and take down Big Evil Republican Government/Big Business (yawn).

I'm curious about the show, mostly to see how PC Andy (Sergeant, whatev...) fares, or how long it is before Rhys is killed/leaves with Anwen. I'll probably wind up watching it, just because schaudenfreude is so tasty!

It's all a pity, really, because I loved the train wreck of S1 and S2 so much. It was fun when it was Cardiff and five really messed up people you loved to hate and hated to love, scrappy and stupid but pulling it out of their asses anyhow. This stuff feels like Michael Bay was too busy making Transformers 20, so they made Torchwood without him.
Edited 2011-07-03 19:15 (UTC)
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[identity profile] fide-et-spe.livejournal.com 2011-07-03 07:38 pm (UTC)(link)
Hah hah at the Transformers reference. The latest trailer made me very confused as to how Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin agreed to it. Maybe they got lots of money. I hadn't thought of it, but it does have that look.

I think Series 1 TW had a made by students feel to it, which wasn't a bad thing at all, as long as you didn't try and take it seriously.

[identity profile] takenatwork.livejournal.com 2011-07-03 07:25 pm (UTC)(link)
I see what you mean about Amy/Rory/Melody, I hadn't thought it through that far. I hope he doesn't handwave it away, I want to see how they cope.

I'm not watching TW:MD for lots of reasons, principles mainly, but I'm really struggling to visualise it on BBC1. Whilst I have problems with CoE, RTD got it right for the BBC1 viewers, in that he wrote a real, proper political thriller, with the PM and ministers and in Westminster village - it just also happened to have an alien in it, but the viewers were OK with that. MD looks like a mixed bag of different stuff. Does supernatural count as "Jesus", as there's a whiff of that; log-jam between Jack and the dead?

But it is fascinating watching the reactions, shouldn't do, a bit voyeuristic, but fascinating - I must stop.
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[identity profile] fide-et-spe.livejournal.com 2011-07-03 07:34 pm (UTC)(link)
I keep wondering how it can work on BBC1 as well. At least with CoE the Beeb could trail the whole Westminster political thriller thing, with familiar British actors. For this one it's a much more difficult sell, and I can't see how it could appeal in a BBC1 prime slot, BBC2 or another cable channel, or channel 5, I can't see any of those working OK.

[personal profile] jo02 2011-07-03 11:12 pm (UTC)(link)
I always thought Jack was taking the piss out of the Doctor when he made that little speech about being called the Face of Boe, so I'm leaning towards agreeing with your prophecy too.

I also stopped being fond of Barrowman when he made that comment about needing to get Jack a new piece of arse, at a con after CoE, so yeah, would love to see it come true JUST to see the look on his face.
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[identity profile] venusinchains.livejournal.com 2011-07-03 11:53 pm (UTC)(link)
I'd almost forgotten about TW:MD. (And it's already playing in the UK?) I remember thinking I'd check it out (torrent-wise) just to judge for myself how it went... But I find myself not caring at all, right now.

I agree completely on Jack likely checking out as a solution for the 'nobody is dying' problem. (Or at least becoming mortal, so they can kill him off in the next episode or series.) And I think his untimely death wouldn't affect Jack guest starring in a later, completely Gwen-centric TW: he's been traveling through space and time for how many years now? :-p (Though they'd have to pile on the make-up or the CGI.)

[identity profile] eandh99.livejournal.com 2011-07-04 12:24 am (UTC)(link)
It plays in the UK AFTER it airs in the US, July 8 in the US, July 14th in the UK

[identity profile] radiant-pip.livejournal.com 2011-07-05 05:24 pm (UTC)(link)
Hmm...I don't know. It seems they've really equated Jack with Torchwood, so I can't see them getting rid of Jack for real any time soon. He may stay mortal or seem to be dead (like in End of Days, but maybe for even longer!), but really, truly, permanently dead??? It sounds like RTD has big plans for Jack and Gwen next season. He said he has a whole story centered around Gwen envisioned and as for Jack...uh, some female attention (since this story supposedly dictated male love interests only this time). So, that sounds about right--Gwen gets the story and Jack gets the comic relief/sexyfuntimes!

[identity profile] wounded-melody.livejournal.com 2011-07-05 05:55 pm (UTC)(link)
But RTD is leaving TW after Miracle Day, unless he lied again.

[identity profile] radiant-pip.livejournal.com 2011-07-05 06:43 pm (UTC)(link)
Well, I'm sure he can pass off his great Gwen idea to whomever is running the show next season (Jane Espenson?) or maybe he'll go after the drama he really wants to produce and just juggle two shows again (because that worked so well before!). Or, yeah, he lied. I don't trust anything he (or JB) says these days...but then Gwen with a baby in one hand and a gun in another came true!

All I know is what I see in the media and Jack=Torchwood. We'll see.

[identity profile] coldwater1010.livejournal.com 2011-07-06 09:18 am (UTC)(link)
All I know is what I see in the media and Jack=Torchwood. We'll see.

I don't see him dying, but I am frequently wrong so that probably doesn't mean much, but I can totally see them talking about how 'Jack is Torchwood' this season and then next season going on about how Torchwood has always been about more than one person or a couple of people if they did kill him off even though that's the complete opposite of what they're sayimg now.

[identity profile] mslauren2930.livejournal.com 2011-07-06 11:28 pm (UTC)(link)
LOLZ. I'd believe you aren't interested in the new Torchwood if you hadn't just written a whole rather passionate post about the new Torchwood. hee.