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[tencrush]

In Russell's world, bumsex with Russell Tovey pretty much fixes all your emo manpain, no matter how vast, yeah?

That's pretty faily right there. Not as faily as that thing with Martha and you know who, but still pretty fucking offensively faily. As was that thing with Donna. Wow, that's a lot of fucking fail to heap upon an awful lot of companions.

DON'T LET THE DOOR HIT YOUR ASS RUSSELL.

Also, did Simm just disappear, never to be mentioned again, or did it just seem that way?

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[tencrush]

I never bought that that was the characterisation they wanted for the "hero" of Torchwood, but apparently it was. I let a lot of people attempt to convince me that there was more depth to Jack/Ianto than we were seeing on screen, primarily because the Ianto thing bothered me because Jack was his boss, I find the boss/subordinate thing really quite squicky in and of itself, doubly so with Jack because he's less emotionally involved than the subordinate in question. If he hadn't been Ianto's boss, the whole thing wouldn't really have bugged me one way or the other.

Regarding Doctor Who, I really would have preferred that scene to have not involved a human man, but something from the "other" category.

[karaokegal.livejournal.com]

I'm all for the "other." Jack is omni-sexual---let's see it action. That would be a definite wish for S4.

[coldwater1010.livejournal.com]

Well it's doubly squicky because of the added implication of Ianto's possible emotional vulnerability. If he didn't want to get involved with Gwen because it wouldn't be healthy for her it's hard for me to understand his rationale for getting involved with Ianto. I know I like to accuse him of thinking with his dick, but it doesn't say much for his judgment as a leader either that he doesn't seem to have enough self-control to think it probably wasn't the best idea. (Of course with that line I may have just answered my own question). Plus while Ianto may have been more emotionally involved than Jack, Jack's the one shown pushing the relationship forward in s2 when it looks like Ianto may have cooled so I'd love to understand his motivation for that.

I think Jack's supposed to be a kind of anti-hero. A flawed man,who has done bad things,but also someone who at some point decided they want to do the right thing or be 'better'. I think that's always been his 'arc' which might be why it seems to have become something of a loop of late. lol. And while I do think he's capable of being a bastard or ruthless or a bit of a dick I've never got the sense that I was ever supposed to think he was remorseless especially since he seems to have a great need to atone and forgive.He clearly has issues. I tend to find him somewhat shallow, but I'm not convinced that's what I'm supposed to think so I have to assume the writing has failed him somewhere.

As for J/I when I'm not in a bad mood or letting my general annoyance with Jack cloud my judgment or just being contrary I don't really see it as 'just sex'. I'm not exactly sure what I see it as because sometimes reading between the lines feels like given the writers more credit for cohesiveness than I think they deserve, but there just seems to be too much baggage and too much of an attempt to create 'something' for me to buy it was all that casual either.