In which I am always right.

[tencrush]

See?

Russell also quashed rumours that a fourth series of Torchwood had been greenlit: “There is nothing definite yet despite what John Barrowman keeps telling everyone. Get down, boy! But we wouldn’t want him any other way. Maybe there'll be something to tell you in the New Year.”

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LOL, Russell, you're the one that keeps pimping this fuck awful idea out every time you open your mouth. Maybe the Beeb told you to tone it down a bit?

Guys: THERE IS NO S4 OF TORCHWOOD.

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[aresnz.livejournal.com]

I saw that tweet as well. I'm beginning to think they're just messing with us as well. First JB is really excited and saying there will be 13 eps and now this. Sure doesn't seem like anyone is excited to announce a S4 of Torchwood. I don't think having DW final eps has anything to do with this, as some people think. Perhaps they've all changed their minds and decided not to have a series 4. At least have the balls to say that. Sheesh..


Lori

[love-jackianto.livejournal.com]

'LOL, Russell, you're the one that keeps pimping this fuck awful idea out every time you open your mouth.'
Does he ever. I just wish they'd make up their minds. Not that I plan on watching, I just want to prepare myself for the fandom war between the people who loved CoE and those who hated it (I've seen fights between those two groups on Amazon.com's product review page).

[(Anonymous)]

Isn't it kind of sad that this is making me happy? I'm still giggling.

I'm all for conspiracy theories, but I keep thinking that JB and RTD are talking about different TWs. One with Jack but without RTD at the helm (past adventures), the other with RTD but without Jack (Gwenwood). Seems to me they are trying to get the Beeb on their respective sides if their is a S4 at all.

[flohkatie.livejournal.com]

/\That was me, sorry.

[hamsterfur.livejournal.com]

RTD is being disingenous. They've already started casting (for guest roles at any rate) for S4. The process of greenlighting is so convoluted and time-consuming, it's not as simple as yes, no, or still waiting for a decision. It can take a lot of time to go from, "yes definitely it will happen" to "yes and everything is signed, sealed and delivered" and usually things are not announced to the general public till long after everything is signed, sealed and delivered.

[aviv-b.livejournal.com]

I think I could lay odds on how many people who post here would vote for option a) vs option b).

Yeah, RTD wouldn't know the truth if it wacked him over the head. Its pathological the way he will contradict himself time after time after time. And then deny it or blame someone else time after time after time.

I expect this from a 5 year old not a 50 year old. And he wonders why so many people have no respect for him.

[tencrush]

Who's casting for S4? Which BBC? Is Russell overseeing all this from the States?

[hamsterfur.livejournal.com]

Andy Pryor is the cd. As for the other question, all I know is what the casting briefs say, and casting briefs do not contain that kind of info, sorry.

[fide-et-spe.livejournal.com]

No there is no S4. Thing is, they will have been asked to commit if there is one, that's all.

We have an election coming, the BBC will wait now as their funding may be affected. Also I think if there is more TW, it will be mini series, no matter what JB says. Their most popular shows are only ever about 6 episodes at most.

[51stcenturyfox.livejournal.com]

I want an S4 and a full complement of episodes.

I didn't LOVE CoE; the plotholes bugged the crap out me and it was too much poli-drama vs. sexy sci-fi cracktacularfest, but my enjoyment of the series didn't really... hinge on Ianto continuing to be in it. I like the character, but I like Jack and Gwen as well.

[off_coloratura]

What is Sue holding in your icon? Stopwatch?

[alba17.livejournal.com]

I think it sounds like they're in discussions and it isn't finalized. I see the comment above that says they're actually casting guest stars. Ooh! That sounds pretty definite. It does seem weird that RTD was so free with his confident comments about an S4 earlier and now he's pulling back.

[tencrush]

Yup. Fancy digital kind.

[tencrush]

The main problem I have with a S4 is the way Jack left, and the fact that I think it will be glossed over in the same way 2000 years underground was glossed over. I'll be pleasantly surprised if it's not (but then, I still don't think Jack'll be in it if there's a S4), but I reckon it'll be "yeah, bad shit happened, grandson, Ianto, blah, blah, I wandered around being emo for a few hundred years and I'm all better now, sex?"

You know what I mean?

[(Anonymous)]

I was at the TW talk at Collectormania when JB first announced S4, and before he made the 'big announcement' he double checked with his manager (who was standing at the side of the stage) that it was OK to tell people about it. So whatever RTD is saying now, when JB made the announcement they seemed pretty certain about it. (Collectormania was a couple of days before JB did the radio interview when he also mentioned s4)

[51stcenturyfox.livejournal.com]

Torchwood is MADE OF PLOTHOLES.

Angst/PTSD aside, Jack's coat should have been in tatters after his time underground. Ridic.

I think Jack will be in a S4, so I'll take that bet. And you're probably right about the limited emo. But... he's had a wife and a former wife die on him, and Estelle, and God knows how many other people. And it's arguable that Tosh and Owen's deaths were his fault since he recruited them. So I just don't get how he could bounce back from those and not from Ianto and Steven, after x period of time.

If he couldn't bounce back from others' deaths, he'd have been in a permanent catatonic state from emotional freakout long before this.

I wish we had the old team back, but I'll take a new team + Jack and some monster-of-the-week episodes + a greater threat arc. I only really care because I miss the X-Files and need a sci-fi fandom. (Though I'll be following Doctor Who, too.)

[eandh99.livejournal.com]

I don't see anything more in this than RTD going "Woah! there is no s4 until I THE EMPEROR OF THE WHONIVERSE say so and settle my own salary negotiations." - my own personal nasty hope is that BBC Wales tells him to stay the eff away from Cardiff and let them do it themselves.

[jo02]

**Rolls eyes** I'm glad RTD still thinks Barrowman is cute.

[kel-reiley.livejournal.com]

The main problem I have with a S4 is the way Jack left, and the fact that I think it will be glossed over in the same way 2000 years underground was glossed over.

which is why i think it would be better if it is a whole new show, all new cast, a couple years after CoE, tw is rebuilt and different - it won't be the old show, but it *could* be good

[jo02]

" ... fights between those two groups on Amazon.com's product review page "

Are they really?
I suppose you could argue it was great TV drama. No, seriously. If you hadn't seen TW previously, didn't know the characters, or hadn't inhaled all the media lies that led up to it, you would have enjoyed it as quite good TV.

To be honest, apart from the horrible way Jack was behaving, I enjoyed it VERY much, up until Ianto collapsed onto the floor in Thames House. If I wasn't completely crushed (see, I've gotten all teary just typing this) I would have thought it was great TV drama and I'd be interested in watching a next season.

[kel-reiley.livejournal.com]

sue/ianto with a stopwatch?

[alba17.livejournal.com]

Oh, that's interesting. Well, I think all the evidence points to there being an S4.

[coldwater1010.livejournal.com]

"I think Jack will be in a S4, so I'll take that bet. And you're probably right about the limited emo. But... he's had a wife and a former wife die on him, and Estelle, and God knows how many other people. And it's arguable that Tosh and Owen's deaths were his fault since he recruited them. So I just don't get how he could bounce back from those and not from Ianto and Steven, after x period of time."

If it were just Ianto I'd agree for a number of reasons (although since they wanted us to suddenly believe that Ianto's death was a big enough reason to turn Jack into a grandchild killing shell of his former self then personally I'd like some indication that he didn't just get over it the minute the plot no longer required him for that role), but the Stephen thing. I can't see how he just 'gets over' that especially for someone who still felt guilty some 150 + years just for accidentally dropping his brother's hand. Not to mention the compounded effect it presumably had on his daughter unless they're going to suggest she's over it too or simply pretend she never really existed. So I would definitely expect some sort of ongoing fallout especially since they seem to want to be taken seriously these days.

I think I could handle the plotholes in the first two seasons because I never felt I was required to take any of it all that seriously. So a super secret organisation that was so secret it has to retcon its people when they leave, but apparently has one of the laziest vetting processes I've ever seen for an agency like this, that hires people off the street or because the man in charge fancies them held a perverse kind of goofy charm even if I did have to suspend my disbelief a bit too often, but Jack being buried for 2,000 years and suffering little to no ill-effects was definitely when the love began to die and then s3 with its sledge hammer approach to all things Jack sadly finished it off. Of course wholesale character killing in lieu of meaningful/ consistent character development didn't help either.

[51stcenturyfox.livejournal.com]

Yeah, I don't expect him to just get over Steven either -- however, I think he was cognizant of why he was doing it at the time (I totally hated this plot direction - I would have had Clem snap back to reality and sacrifice himself to save the children and stop his own misery. Sad too, but logical, since he had a connection to the 456.)

Owen's death had a reasonable arc/purpose. Tosh and Ianto were gratuitous, IMO. Suzie did go in the first episode, so I think one team loss per series sort of... isn't actually that unexpected for the tone set at the start. TW has always been a mix of crackaliciousness and angst, to me.

[neadods.livejournal.com]

Torchwood is MADE OF PLOTHOLES.

Truer words were never typed.