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And again with the final word...
Yes, yet again I have FINAL WORDS about Children of Earth.
See this interview here.
DAN: Can you confirm or deny the death of the Torchwood pterodactyl?
RTD: (big laugh) I think she must have been blown up in that blast.
Yeah, laugh it up, Russell. Again, you've proved to me what an utter dick you are.
See, the thing about Children of Earth is that I can't really fault it. Yeah, okay there were gaping plot holes and death and misery for the sake of it, but as a creative endeavour, as a whole, it was pretty good. This was what you always wanted Torchwood to be, this, to a certain extent is what WE always wanted Torchwood to be. Problem is, Rusty, if this was your vision, if this was what you wanted from your darker, edgier Whovian drama, then THIS IS WHAT YOU SHOULD HAVE CREATED IN THE FIRST PLACE. It's all very well to hand over the reins and sit back and not really pay any attention for two seasons, but what happens when you do that is PEOPLE START WATCHING A DIFFERENT SHOW THAN THE ONE YOU ENVISIONED. And just because you couldn't get off your lazy arse for two years, doesn't give you the right to suddenly take that show that people have been watching and embracing and go "Oh, hang on, wait, let's do a u-turn and turn it into SERIOUS BUSINESS because THAT'S WHERE I WANTED IT TO GO WHEN I THOUGHT OF IT". It's disrespectful to the world that's been crafted and to the audience that was quite enjoying that, thank you very much. And you can say that that's your creative vision, but when it comes at the price of what's gone before, of what you couldn't be bothered to keep a tighter rein on and shape the way you wanted it shaping, then I call it a Sudden Unexpected God Complex. It doesn't work that way. People on the meme are laughing at the pterodactyl thing, but seriously, I'm upset. I'm upset that Russell thinks he can laugh away that thing I watched for two seasons and loved and turn it into a joke and say "Oh, sorry, this wasn't what I meant to make." And that's why I now think you're a hack, Rusty. I always figured you were, but now I know.
Which brings me to a lovely theory that![[livejournal.com profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/external/lj-userinfo.gif)
solitary_summer had, which is about Jack and The Face of Boe, funnily enough, one she formulated before watching CoE. Which is that Jack will eventually become the Face of Boe because he's fed up with being pretty and he NEEDS to become a REALLY BIG HEAD with A REALLY BIG BRAIN so he can do right by all the people he's loved and lost and hurt and REMEMBER THEM PROPERLY. Even in a thousand years. That's a lovely sentiment, and if I thought even for one second that Russell might be going there, I'd be really quite... satisfied. In a way. But the thing is he's not. That's not to say he won't go with the question of how Jack becomes the Face of Boe, because I'd put money on the fact that Russell will use the special featuring Jack to put a shitload of effort into wanking away a lame joke he made in Series 3. But, of course, he'll do it for luls. Because the thing is that that whole thing of "I watched my gay lover, whom I could never quite commit to or show the affection he deserved, die in my arms because I forgot to formulate a plan, and then I killed my own grandson with REAL BLOOD and everything", that whole thing won't be adresseed in Who, because it's a family show. And so Rusty will concentrate his efforts on Jack being a bit of a manwhore and the Doctor putting him down and then special effects happen and Jack becomes the Face of Boe. So I'm just putting the theory out there as to WHY he becomes the Face of Boe, in advance, so you can fanwank that into it later and go away feeling marginally happier about the lighthearted shit Russell's going to come out with with regards to Jack. Take it and do with it what you will.
Now I really am done talking about CoE. I've said all I could possibly have to say on the subject.
See this interview here.
DAN: Can you confirm or deny the death of the Torchwood pterodactyl?
RTD: (big laugh) I think she must have been blown up in that blast.
Yeah, laugh it up, Russell. Again, you've proved to me what an utter dick you are.
See, the thing about Children of Earth is that I can't really fault it. Yeah, okay there were gaping plot holes and death and misery for the sake of it, but as a creative endeavour, as a whole, it was pretty good. This was what you always wanted Torchwood to be, this, to a certain extent is what WE always wanted Torchwood to be. Problem is, Rusty, if this was your vision, if this was what you wanted from your darker, edgier Whovian drama, then THIS IS WHAT YOU SHOULD HAVE CREATED IN THE FIRST PLACE. It's all very well to hand over the reins and sit back and not really pay any attention for two seasons, but what happens when you do that is PEOPLE START WATCHING A DIFFERENT SHOW THAN THE ONE YOU ENVISIONED. And just because you couldn't get off your lazy arse for two years, doesn't give you the right to suddenly take that show that people have been watching and embracing and go "Oh, hang on, wait, let's do a u-turn and turn it into SERIOUS BUSINESS because THAT'S WHERE I WANTED IT TO GO WHEN I THOUGHT OF IT". It's disrespectful to the world that's been crafted and to the audience that was quite enjoying that, thank you very much. And you can say that that's your creative vision, but when it comes at the price of what's gone before, of what you couldn't be bothered to keep a tighter rein on and shape the way you wanted it shaping, then I call it a Sudden Unexpected God Complex. It doesn't work that way. People on the meme are laughing at the pterodactyl thing, but seriously, I'm upset. I'm upset that Russell thinks he can laugh away that thing I watched for two seasons and loved and turn it into a joke and say "Oh, sorry, this wasn't what I meant to make." And that's why I now think you're a hack, Rusty. I always figured you were, but now I know.
Which brings me to a lovely theory that
solitary_summer had, which is about Jack and The Face of Boe, funnily enough, one she formulated before watching CoE. Which is that Jack will eventually become the Face of Boe because he's fed up with being pretty and he NEEDS to become a REALLY BIG HEAD with A REALLY BIG BRAIN so he can do right by all the people he's loved and lost and hurt and REMEMBER THEM PROPERLY. Even in a thousand years. That's a lovely sentiment, and if I thought even for one second that Russell might be going there, I'd be really quite... satisfied. In a way. But the thing is he's not. That's not to say he won't go with the question of how Jack becomes the Face of Boe, because I'd put money on the fact that Russell will use the special featuring Jack to put a shitload of effort into wanking away a lame joke he made in Series 3. But, of course, he'll do it for luls. Because the thing is that that whole thing of "I watched my gay lover, whom I could never quite commit to or show the affection he deserved, die in my arms because I forgot to formulate a plan, and then I killed my own grandson with REAL BLOOD and everything", that whole thing won't be adresseed in Who, because it's a family show. And so Rusty will concentrate his efforts on Jack being a bit of a manwhore and the Doctor putting him down and then special effects happen and Jack becomes the Face of Boe. So I'm just putting the theory out there as to WHY he becomes the Face of Boe, in advance, so you can fanwank that into it later and go away feeling marginally happier about the lighthearted shit Russell's going to come out with with regards to Jack. Take it and do with it what you will. Now I really am done talking about CoE. I've said all I could possibly have to say on the subject.
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Problem is, Rusty, if this was your vision, if this was what you wanted from your darker, edgier Whovian drama, then THIS IS WHAT YOU SHOULD HAVE CREATED IN THE FIRST PLACE.
*nods*
We were told from the beginning TW was scary and dangerous and gritty and grown-up Who, but we didn't really see it until the 26th episode (perhaps the 24th, as it was a bit dark). Then, between episode 26 and 30, we see what was originally intended, but by then the world had been built. A world with risen mittens and life knives and stopwatches and fighting with smoke monsters and sex gas and miraculous ressurection and metal bikinis and barbeque sauce and emo space whales and nostravites.
Hey, we got to keep the cool alien contact lenses though. Hooray!
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But when I peeked at Children of Earth I had a serious of moment "... Wait, when did this become Battlestar Galactica all of a sudden?" That shift in tone was a bit abrupt even for us more casual viewers. If the show had spent a season building to that more dark feel, maybe wouldn't have jarred so much. For me at least.
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(Anonymous) 2009-07-20 02:58 pm (UTC)(link)RTD: No, to be honest, we don't take fan thinking into consideration. Certainly not with casting, certainly not with script. That's never an issue and never will be, I think.
I am waiting for the day those words come back and bite Rusty in the ass.
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RTD: (big laugh) I think she must have been blown up in that blast.
Oh, RTD, you prick.
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Yeah sure, whatever.
By the way, I've read in many places that the premise of CoE was taken from some other show of decades ago. RTD and other writers themselves don't seem to be saying so however. So are we to suppose that the 'creative' endeavour of CoE is nothing but plagiarism?
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One might as well give John Barrowman awards for 'best songwriter' for his tepid covers of old favourites!
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Um, not exactly. We have the right to criticize and he has the right to ignore us. And we both live with the consequences.
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That's true and someday he'll be the only one enjoying it.
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Yeah.
'Problem is, Rusty, if this was your vision, if this was what you wanted from your darker, edgier Whovian drama, then THIS IS WHAT YOU SHOULD HAVE CREATED IN THE FIRST PLACE.'
I know. CoE felt like a Trochwood AU. I guess RTD just didn't care; now that he's in America, he doesn't have to worry about it.
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I'm kidding. (Or am I? o_O)
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I've already written off CoE as an AU by a fanboi who's got a serious torture-the-hero kink. Not the best AU I've read, either.
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Yeah. Someone should have told him that AU doesn't equal OOC characters.
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JB said,"You'll have to work very hard."
GDL replied,"Well, I've been doing my jaw exercises." and he made various jaw movements. (Please note I quote from memory, so I could be paraphrasing)
Then both JB and GDL burst out laughing and JB said,"I'll write you a 13 part series right now."
Well, my point is that this seems to somewhat corroborate our suspicions about RTD's dishonest designs.
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(Anonymous) 2009-07-20 04:25 pm (UTC)(link)God, I'm reaching the point where I can't think about Torchwood anymore without 'stupid stupid show' playing on a loop in my brain.
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But I'm too lazy to fanwank about "Face of Boe" so I'm going to pretend I did.