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Why does shit always go down in a week when I leave the country?

See, the thing about a certain faction of fans is that they seem to equate Gareth's stated love of working on Torchwood with a stated desire to stay on Torchwood for any length of time.

Having said that, spoiler make me do sadfayce, even though I'd been predicting and expecting it. :(

I now give spoiler about 97% certainty. *sniff*

(Edit to clarify, no, Gareth hasn't said anything, though, in true Gareth style, he didn't exactly NOT say anything either. I am referring to a lovely holiday-style time I spent reading and researching spoilers on the OG, where about three seperate sources are now citing having read and even seen spoiler play out on screen. Bum.)

Edit to add quickly before I swan off: Not that I'm going to say I told you so or anything. I would never do that.

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Wait, wait, wait, WHAT did he say? o.O I'm kinda confused

Don't DO that.

I'm having chest pains! And a shooting pain down my arms!

Sorry. :(

Sorry WHAT???? What's the spoilage?

*numbness in legs*

Get the fucking defibrillator, goddammit!

I think the spoiler is true. I don't think it was Gareth's choice, though. His own words were that he needed the money and would never be so daft as to leave. Unless he has something really cool on the boiler, which is possible. I hope.

The BBC always says it was the actor's choice, but in this case I think that might actually be true.

I agree. Gareth couldn't afford to leave Torchwood unless he'd been offered something even better.

I think he has and he's been keeping schtum.

I really hope so. I do love Ianto, and the proposed manner in which Jack/Ianto will be eliminated is shittytascicrapmasicalfucktarded, but, I would LOVE to see Gareth in other or more high profile roles. It would go a long way towards making me feel better, anyway.

'I would LOVE to see Gareth in other or more high profile roles. It would go a long way towards making me feel better, anyway.'
That would make me feel better too.

I'm still waiting for one of these spoiler sources to tell us HOW Ianto dies and under what circumstances. Until then, I'm not going to believe it one hundred percent, although it looks fairly likely now.

DON'T DO THIS TO ME WHEN I'M STILL AT WORK AN CANNAE RESEARCH MOAR!!

*wibbles*

ETA: Ah, read up on it onna OG *looks over shoulder in case The Boss appears* - are those the same 'sources' that were certain we'd get a black Doctor?

Edited 2009-02-17 19:01 (UTC)

are those the same 'sources' that were certain we'd get a black Doctor?

Yes.

After my initial panic, I'm beginning to believe that Ianto will live to cry another season.

One of them was, though he's been correct in other stuff. And there are rumors that PJ was cast originally and then backed out. Who knows about that, though. Another has a much better record. It was that one that finally made me think it could be true.

But there's always a chance, even if they are being truthful, that their sources are crap/purposefully misleading/not clued in to final versions. *hopes*

It won't be proven till it appears on screen. Besides which, sometimes rumors play out exactly as stated, but not at all as you expected.
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Does this substantially change the Epic Ianto Meta you were talking about?
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(Honestly, I see my interest in Torchwood fading to near non-existence if the worst case scenario turns out to be true.)

(Sad but same here, yah. I SO SHALLOW.)

We like what we like. It can't be helped. (Not 'shallow,' just aware of what'll be lost, and the loathsome possibilities it would open up. :P)

We could descend in powerful numbers on the BBC Wales HQ and tie bunny-ears in all their shoes.

Or, if it was Gareth's idea, bunny-ears him, then take away his butts and beer and make him cry like Ianto.

Unless, of course, the exit is an entrance somewhere else. Somewhere FABULOUS.

Edited 2009-02-17 19:42 (UTC)

"Unless, of course, the exit is an entrance somewhere else. Somewhere FABULOUS."

I don't have the cash for a trip to Wales. :P So, I'm going to hang onto your last thought (for Ianto or for Gareth). Because, even if The Spoiler is true, it could be reversed (as some suspect happened once already in Cyberwoman), and I definitely wouldn't mind seeing Gareth in another role.

Oh yes, I'm not tremendously worried, on account of Jack's SPESHUL SKILZZ.

I'm an optimist like that.

I'd love to see him in a great supporting role in a great movie.

'(Honestly, I see my interest in Torchwood fading to near non-existence if the worst case scenario turns out to be true.)'
Same here, IF it turns out to be true. I have no interest in the Jack/Gwen show (if they kill off Ianto that will probably be what Torchwood will become). I know they're probably killing off characters to seem edgy, but killing off three of the five original cast members, so quickly after one another, seems kind of ridiculous.

Yes, killing off more than half of the cast, in what would be the space of six episodes (or less), does seem a mind-numbingly stupid move for an ensemble show. Unless, of course, the producers prefer to think of it as something like The Jack And Gwen Show - but, yeah, I don't think that show would have any staying power.

'Yes, killing off more than half of the cast, in what would be the space of six episodes (or less), does seem a mind-numbingly stupid move for an ensemble show.'
Not to mention most people's reactions would probably be 'Oh look, they killed off ANOTHER character. What else is on?'. You can only kill of so many characters until people just stop caring.

'The Jack And Gwen Show - but, yeah, I don't think that show would have any staying power.'
Yeah, one of the things I've always found interesting about Ianto is that we don't know a lot about him, but what else is there to learn about Gwen; we've already met her parents, met her friends, found out how she and Rhys met and seen her angst over cheating on Rhys.

I'm sure they'll have new cast members, but it would be ridiculous to kill off Ianto (unless of course he wants to leave) but... in that case, his character doesn't have to die. He could come back periodically, as Martha does.

Exactly.

"We see enough death."

Yes. Hello. Enough death!

*gasp* I think my heart actually skipped a beat in horror at the prospect of the Jack And Gwen Show. That could go awful, awful places.

I agree - nothing is proven until it's seen. Honestly the internet make me more skeptical. You've got someone who only ever posts to brag about having insider info who's currently on their third insider because the spoilers their first two gave were proven to be bullcrap but "oh I swear this is a new insider and this one's legit". Someone who knows someone who saw an early script which overnight went from "I heard about it but don't know any details but I can ask" to "I know all about the early script but won't give the details because all my info comes from one early draft and things change" and 2 days later to "my posts=absolute confirmed spoilers and I'm now privy to multiple drafts but I won't give details because things could still change but I know for a fact they won't change him dying" (although that happened in Reset where the last-minute change was who died.) A few months ago everyone was debating about Micky and Martha with posters claiming all sorts like the poster who said Freema told them personally she'd filmed 2 eps.

It wouldn't surprise me plot-wise if Ianto did die (I have not heard anything either way) but in principle whenever I see anyone doing the old "everyone look at me I am totally an big sekrit insider and can tell you huge spoilers but no details or I'd get into trouble/don't want to spoil people OMG how dare you not believe me because anonymous net posts=absolute proof" it makes me doubt almost anything I read online.

I predict that even if Ianto gets fed into a woodchipper there will be fans arguing that they will find a way to bring him back, or that Jack will find a way because Ianto's his tru wuv, and that the resulting debate will rage until S4 airs.

In other news, you may be glad to know that GDL appears to be a completely different guy when he's not being goaded on by Barrowman and Kai: soft-spoken, gentle, thoughtful, utterly winning.

From Gallifrey One on Saturday. I can never understand more than half of what he says. Those beautiful Welsh vowels are a little thick, but I wouldn't have him change them for anything.

The story about the weirdest fanmail is the utmost in eeeeeeeeeeeek. O__O

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My word, he looks gorgeous! Even though he's wearing the worst-fitting jeans in the world!

But. But. No.

Well god dammit, if they do actually kill Ianto I hope they do it in a way that makes me cry so hard that I need to replace half my living room furniture due to water damage. I'd be REALLY pissed off if they do it and it's so sucky that it doesn't even get a good reaction out of me. But dammit, I really hope they don't do it so soon. Maybe I could see them doing in at the end of season 4, but I don't think his character and the Jack/Ianto relationship has been explored enough yet, nor do I think 5 episodes is enough time to properly do it in either. In fact I'm worried that if he does die in s3 all the backstory and relationship exploration we get will just be a rushed exposition-dump before they get rid of him. Which I think would be the ultimate injustice to his character.

And as others have stated, I have very little interest in the Jack and Gwen show. Of course they would bring in new cast members too but I think with Ianto gone the temptation to do Jack/Gwen would be too strong for the writers to resist and it's really just a horrible, horrible idea. AND I'D MISS IANTO.

Oh, I don't know. I don't foresee Jack/Gwen ever going beyond UST. Especially with Rhys around.

M/F show leads finally going past UST? Ugh. It ruins programmes, IMHO.

I just hope like other people have stated on here, that GDL has something really good lined up.

nicole

I am saying, "NO! FUCK! NO!" over and over like the Christian Bale remix.

Hrm. I don't doubt it's a possibility, I just can't get over what an odd artistic choice it is to slaughter more than half the cast - and such an effective cast - in such a short space of time. This isn't a huge ensemble show like Lost which can just absorb that - they're looking at substantially changing the landscape of the show. Well, they've already done that, and now they're going to do it even more.

Personally I won't believe it until I see it, and we must also remember that death in SF sometimes doesn't last as long as real death.

on the upside, I'm hoping this means he landed a show here in the US. ::greedy bastid::

Yes, despite being daft, the other thing that strikes me is that RTD would be more likely to do a Rose type of ending, where he can always be used again, character death is such a waste. I actually like the point that it is the same sources that knew who the new Doctor was going to be, and got it wrong.

GDL has in fact talked about filming season 4, so he definitely hasn't hinted at all, this was from last weekend as well. OK of course that can be a ruse, but he could also say it in a less committed way as well. I would be very surprised if he did leave voluntarily.

Not going to trust what GDL says about S4 because:

1) He's an actor.
2) IMO he seemed a bit dodgy with that question about contracts and the down-time between filming S4 at the Gallifrey con. I got a bad vibe about that question in particular.

It would have to be something super amazing for me not to be pissed that GDL left on his terms (not that he cares :P). So far he hasn't seemed very motivated in building up his resume. I doubt Torchwood is going to last for seasons and seasons. Plus, I think one more series of Ianto in the mix and then dying/getting written out/whatever would be much more palatable. But then, nobody's consulted with me.

I hope this is just a bad fake-out or one of those he's dead!ohnoooooo! cliffhangers that gets resolved early in the next series.

If anyone should defy the odds, it's Ianto and not Gwen IMO. But Jack/Ianto is probably taking too much attention away from the show in the minds of TPTB. I'd prefer a DW2-Rose type ending, but if they want a clean break to pursue Jack/Gwen, that would not be good knowing Ianto was still out there...

Oh God yes, I didn't mean that he was truthful, just that there seemed to be a feeling here that he had hinted to Ianto dying, and I had seen nothing to indicate that. Also he doesn't seem the disingenuous type, and you would imagine the answer to use would be something about how they have to wait to see how this season does until they know anything, but I have seen him say something more indicating that he would be involved a few times now. Of course this could just be a ruse.

I agree with your points, but I don't think the producers feel J/I is a problem at all. They could easily leave it in the background, and that would work, or retcon it like they did with Owen/Gwen. The fact that they have made it "integral to the story" quoting Euros Lynn, suggests that they like it. Also Julie Gaardener has said how much she likes them as a couple.

Totally agree that it would be daft of him just to leave, unless you are George Clooney, and lets face it, TW is not on that level, leaving at that stage, not even having been the lead, is rarely a good idea. If he has left, it would totally be due to the script, and beyond his control.

Here's the thing. They are making such a big deal about moving to BBC1 and talking about how to keep old fans happy but trying to appeal to a larger audience. So they show the new folks this great show and introduce the characters...and then have such a big change for season 4.

If I was a 'new' fan, I'd be completely pissed that I was sold on one show and then they end up changing it for season 4.

Plus you're pissing off all the old fans, who have just invested....what, over a year of waiting for 5 hours. And now they have to wait at least six months for more?

Besides I won't let it happen! NO, No, NO!!! I'll hold my breath until RTD makes it all better.

Blah. Sucky spoilers. I'll go back to my fantasy land with Ianto on our unicorn.

Actually I thought about that today, if you want to attract a whole lot of new fans, why then risk them not sticking with the next series?

I still pinning my hopes on the 'shocking parent decision' stuff with Jack and his daughter as the big ending, but if it is Gareth's choice to leave, then it must be so. As long as it's done well and the two don't dilute each other.

Hm. The increased focus on the emotional side of Janto has always spelled doom to me. I figure either Ianto's toast or else Jack does something crazy like sacrifice his love for Ianto by having him retconned to walk off in the sunset with Jack's daughter.

I believe it to be false. My reasons are on my LJ. And I'm yet to hear anything that will actually convince me.

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