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MY RANDOM WHO AND TORCHWOOD PREDICTIONS

I've got a few random predictions floating around my head, so I thought I'd spew them out here for posterity. They're based on absolutely nothing, apart from vague gut feelings.

Moffat's Who will have TWO companions. Boy/girl. Mainly because Moffat can't resist being a bit different and can't help injecting a bit of sitcom-esque bitching and UST into the TARDIS, which, having logically taken the Doctor-has-a-penis thing to its zenith, would have to involve two other people. Moffat's great strength is writing for multiple characters, he needs various personalities to bounce around and I am nearly 100% certain about this prediction.

The girl will be a Sally Sparrow-esque capable mix of clever and ballsy and cute, I wouldn't actually rule out Sally Sparrow herself, just because Moffat's a joker like that. The boy will be Ianto. Okay, so that last bit's about 80% wishful thinking, but I'm not ruling it out completely because I'm just... not.

Jack will leave Torchwood at the end of TW series 3. This ties in with my prediction that Jack and Ianto will split up during series 3, but possibly for reasons you're not expecting. John is actually leaving Torchwood behind, but I have a hunch he features in one of the three Who specials, as I believe Jack's story will be tied up BEFORE the eventual regeneration. I don't believe Jack will ever interact with Eleven.

Taking all those things together, yeah, Torchwood as we know it is coming to an end after series 3. I don't actually believe anyone is interested in taking the show any further, specifically I don't believe John or Eve are interested in doing another series, and I think retooling it is NOT actually an option. This whole idea of a family-friendly show called "Torchwood" in the BBC's early saturday evening slot is NOT going to happen, the BBC would be far too nervous about leading the kiddies it's aimed at astray when they innocently ask Santa for the series one and two dvd's for Christmas. It's not happening. Torchwood will be disbanded at the end of series three, the Hub, blowed up and revealed to the world, will stay blowed up. ETA Again: the possibility of a BBC1 post-watershed thing is still there, yes, but I'll wait and see if Bonekickers gets recomissioned to see if Beeb1 is really aiming for a prime time LOLDrama slot, and even if they ARE doing so, that would involve, like Bonekickers, a 6-episode run, 8 at best, and I don't think Barrowman would be willing to sign for that short a series.

I wasn't going to put this in because I thought it was too weird, but the more I think about it, the more sense it makes, and because dick_grayson seems to be on a frighteningly similar wavelength, I'm going to go for: Voluntary retconning for Ianto at the end of TW series 3. For some reason or other to do with his family. It just seems to sit right for me somehow, and I think it's when we'll finally find out what's going on with him and Jack and to what extent. The reason I didn't want to put it in is because it's eerily similar to Donna's story in Who S4, and I figured it didn't make sense to do that again, but the more I think about it, the more I realise that sort of thing hasn't exactly stopped them before. The reason I think it might happen is because it's a good way to put Ianto on ice as a character, but not rule out a possible return somewhere in the franchise at some point in time. So, yeah, I'm definitely putting this one in. That is my S3 ending prediction.

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Ok, I apologize in advance if I'm repeating anything anyone else said, but I wanted to jump in here real quick and record my guesses (if you want us to do that! this is your journal afterall. so sorry if you don't).

I don't know Moffat, nor Doctor Who (that much) so I have nothing to add to #1 and #2 bullet. I liked Sally Sparrow, in fact Blink was one of my favorite episodes. I can't look at a statue the same.

I agree Jack will never interact with 11, but I don't agree he's leaving Torchwood after Season 3. Because I've heard him and Julie talk about a Season 4, but then no speculation after that. In fact, I got the impression that they would go into filming season 4 shortly after season 3 hit the air waves.

However, I do believe there will be big changes in Torchwood with the blowing up of stuff and everything. However, because of a comment from Gareth at the Hub, he's still there (he said something like I'm still bloody well in it) and I do not believe their relationship will change (unless Rhys dies and Gwen, the slut, goes after Jack). There are rumors that Julie Gardner is moving to the U.S., and John has indicated he'd love a U.S. Torchwood. Gareth has been peddling his wares here in the U.S. (that sounds delicious). He is working with James Marsters agent. Does this mean a move to the U.S. after all the exploding? Curious minds want to know.

I do not know how Eve fits in, but John seems very happy with the character and in continuing with the show.

I do not know what it means to be on BBC1 as opposed to 2 or 3. I read it that it was an honor or reward for getting people to watch your show. I could be completely wrong. I also do not know what that means with watershed or post watershed. I'm clueless. I got the impression that there would be violence in Series 3. Not sure how much sex, etc.

So, what fun we've got while we are waiting for the show to return.

I think you're right about Torchwood, mainly because RTD doesn't want to stick around and I suspect Moffat thinks of Torchwood (when he thinks of it at all) with a bit of disdain. Plus, week-long miniseries SMACKS OF 'this show is now canceled'.

I don't know about multi-companions just yet. I think The Moff is going to want to play with his Doctor for at least the first season, but I wouldn't want to bet money on it.

The companions should be Jeff and Steve from Coupling... I'd be willing to stretch to Jeff and 'as-yet-unknown'. The world needs more people to be aware of the giggle loop and the sock gap.

(I don't think Ianto's a good choice for the TARDIS. he'd never be able to finish cleaning it, and what's the point in a teaboy that can't clean?)

Not to be a bitch, but I think half of your predictions are horrible. Not like, they're completely impractical, but like I would actually have to stab myself in the intestines until I died if Torchwood ended after S3 and Ianto go retconned. I need. This show. It's pathetic, but I don't have any other shows I love nearly so much and-- I just, no. Heartbreak, it would be mine. In spades.

NOW I'M FREAKING OUT.

I need to stary getting emotionally involved in real things.

ETA: Not to be rude and horrible (JUST KIDDING, I AM) but I went and found your S2 predictions post and you were wrong about, er, all of them.

You may now smack me with a fish.

Edited 2008-11-15 02:52 (UTC)

Torchwood is far more successful (globally and financially) than Doctor Who, though. As long as it makes money they aren't getting rid of it.

Technically that's not true. The Cyberwoman thing was a rumour/misinterpretation which was denied, and it's an assumption, albeit a likely accurate one, that if Ianto had gotten the zombie storyline he would have been killed off for good.

I can so clearly see what it could be, if only the writers would aim for better continuity and stop sacrificing drama for melodrama.'

My peeve from day one, minute one.

Have to say I sort of disagree with you, i.e. profit may not be a factor but the license fee which didn't get increased is. If you think about the Johnathon Ross/Russell Brand kerfuffle and the calls for the BBC to be more BBC4 and less BBC3 and politicians threatening to slice the legs of the license fee, well part of the constraints on Torchwood and other shows such as Bonekickers (which I thought was pants) and Being Human is basically budget.

Doctor Who is a legend and an institution and will survive while writers and producers queue up to do good work but the rest?

Hmmm...

And I include Sarah-Jane and her adventures in my reservations.

'My peeve from day one, minute one.'
Yeah, mine too. That's what I like about the fanfic is this fandom, they can fix a lot of the shows problems.

'(I don't think Ianto's a good choice for the TARDIS. he'd never be able to finish cleaning it, and what's the point in a teaboy that can't clean?)'
Oh don't know, he could make the Doctor tea and hold his coat.

I know that John Barrowman has spoken about hopefully doing a S4 of Torchwood, and I think that GDL has mentioned some things to. I don't think your predictions for S3 will be correct-- I don't think it's the last we'll see of Jack in Torchwood, nor do I think Ianto will leave at the end of it-- but I do think they could very well apply to a S4.

ETA: I've seen a lot of people speculating that Jack/Ianto will be over by the end of S3, and I have to wonder, does this merely stem from a sense of narrative inevitability, or does someone know Something From the Powers that Be?

Edited 2008-11-15 06:55 (UTC)

- narrative inevitability. The producers might want to go into series 4 afresh with new stories and new relationships - especially if we're getting new team members.

And for me personally, unless the Jack/Ianto relationship moves in a new direction, I'd rather see it come to an end. I got a little frustrated with the half-hearted way it was written in series 2.

Both John and Gareth have recently said that filming for series 4 might not take place until late in the year. And it fits in with JB being busy with other projects during early summer.

BBC1 is the UK's biggest and oldest tv channel along with ITV1. It garantees more viewers than BBC2 and 3, which are mostly used for documentries and dramas/comedies that are experimental instead of mainstream.

Oh yeah, I agree that it needs to move in a new direction-- S2 was way too inconsistent. But I think their relationship needs to get stronger before it ends-- while I don't see them ever having a conventional relationship per se, I'd like some sense that they really are partners who rely on each other, and I'd like them to have a short time, at least, of being genuinely happy with each other. At the same time, however, the show can't sustain itself if everyone's happy, so my hope is that:
1. In S3, Jack and Ianto grow closer.
2. Early in S4 they are happy, and we get to see them together and relying on each other in a way we never did in S2.
3. Towards the middle of S4, they begin to drift apart, as a natural thing, but it doesn't end until the end of S4, when (stealing Tencrush's idea) Ianto goes off with the Doctor. :P (Or dies D:).

It looks almost certain that Jack and Ianto will get closer in one way or another during the next series - professionaly, romantically or in terms of friendship :) - but exactly which one it will be, we don't know. They're certainly spending some time together in S3, from the filming pics that we've seen.

I agree that as long as we get some PASSION in the Jack/Ianto relationship at some point, I'm not too concerned about whether things come to a head in S3. Like someone else said, I want Jack/Ianto to visit Lovetown before they reach Splitsville. Although who knows, Jack might love and respect Ianto even more when they're NOT having a physical relationship. It works for Jcak and Gwen.

So, being on BBC1 is a reward? So they should keep doing what they do, only bigger and better. Hopefully it will translate well onto the screen and to the viewers. I wasn't sure when filming for 4 would begin, but they were already thinking/talking about it.

Isn't S3 supposed to be just ONE giant episode? How can they get closer in the timeframe of just 1 ep?

Oh my goodness...I'm trying to take in all your predictions. I'd be surprised if Capt Jack interacts with DW 11. Oh, I wouldn't mind DW having 3 companions and I liked Sally Sparrow.

As for Torchwood..I think there will be a S4, but after that all bets are off. John's concert tour is the month of May and he's mentioned his new variety show as well. Your predictions for TW are very interesting. Personally, I'd like to see the Jack/Ianto relationship go somewhere or end it. Maybe Rhys/Gwen will breakup and Jack will go with Gwen full time; if he and Ianto breakup. I do find the recton for Ianto very interesting. I feel if there is a S4 many changes for TW will happen over there or expand what happened in S3. From what I've read John has said each episode for S3 ends in cliffhanger and by episode 5 the story lines will all be tied up. Being it's moving to BBC1 I would think they'd be willing to invest in a S4. Again though, after that all bets are off.

Now, I may get stones thrown my way, but I'm not a huge Capt John fan and I feel the show is John Barrowman's show and it wouldn't go far if John left. John has alway said he works his schedule around Torchwood and not the other way around. However, if the show changes too drastically and not going in a direction John likes, he may want to end it after S4. Just my opinion.

I apologize for my babbling and not so organized thoughts.

Lori

As the second most powerful person in Drama at BBC, i highly doubt Jules would be headed to the States. and frankly, there's no chance she'd ever be hired for a position with that level of control here. US networks looks at BBC powers with disdain because the BBC business model just doesn't work with for-profit networks.

and while i enjoy JB as much as anyone; he has little/no commercial credit in the States where we have a plethora of decent quality screen actors (and admit it, JB isn't) that would be in direct competition for the same roles.

nope. sorry, JB and Jules will stay big fish in the little pond of the UK.

GDL needed an agent in the States for his appearances, and his UK agent does a cooperative partnership with the US agent Marsters is signed to- if you notice, Marsters is repped by the same agent in the UK as GDL.

I don't believe Jack will ever interact with Eleven.

See, I don't agree with this.

1- Moffat created the character of Capt. Jack and as such will want to use that character as a bridge in his stories.

2- JB is a Doctor Who whore - if they ask him, he'll come running like a dork.

What I do think is that there is very little chance of a TW/DW cross ever again now that RTD and Jules aren't driving both shows. If anything, we may see TW characters in minor appearances on SJA.

I don't suppose you have access to financial data on that topic? It would be interesting to compare Torchwood to other Beeb programming in that regard, too. Particularly as I think Doctor Who will keep on going because it's Doctor Who, see also iconic status, while Torchwood is probably more comparable to a show like Life on Mars. Given that Torchwood doesn't even air consistently throughout the Commonwealth (ask any Aussie fan when the next episode is set to air), and given that the number of episodes produced will likely continue to stay very low, I'm not sure how well the future Torchwood can actually do in the global market. Producing only five episodes for S3, with S4 (if it happens at all) likely to have only six episodes, makes it extremely difficult for Torchwood to compete with U.S. programming, where the average show produces 22-24 episodes a year.

Also, in comparing DVD prices for a BBC property with only 13 episodes (e.g., Torchwood S1 and S2) to DVD prices for a U.S.-produced show with four times as many episodes, it's hard to see how Torchwood could ever rise above cult status, particularly in the U.S., where it airs on a cable channel that has the potential to reach only about half of the households in the U.S. Note that "potential to reach" does not equal "actually subscribes to BBC America *and* regularly watches BBC America programming." My parents, who never watch the channel, get it on their cable system, whereas I don't get the channel, but would probably watch lots of the BBC America programming if I did.

Anyway, I suspect the Beeb would be just as happy to authorize a U.S. production house to adapt Torchwood for a U.S. audience, similar to what's been done with Life on Mars or The Office. I don't have access to any financial information, but I imagine that there is a considerable amount of cash involved in authorizing a BBC property for production by a U.S. studio. The Beeb could easily reap whatever financial benefits it gets from some sort of licensing or co-production arrangement, and sit back enjoying the fact that it doesn't have to spend any money to produce the show or pay The Barrowman for his time and the use of his Porsche.

None of them are contracted for series 4 but John has mentioned the prospect of a 4th series of Torchwood at multiple events so I don't think it's accurate to say that he isn't interested in doing another series.

Also Torchwood isn't being sold as a family friendly early evening show - everyone was very clear at the Hub that the show would be airing post water-shed with no family friendly repeats.

Who knows if your other predictions are accurate but they're all fairly horrible concepts so here's hoping not.

Edited 2008-11-15 17:20 (UTC)

Series 3 is airing post watershed. It's a done deal. All the actors at the Hub said so. It will air either at 9 or 10 at night concurrently for a week.

They're not aiming it at the Kiddie audience- they don't need to., they've found their perfect franchise for that - Merlin.

Because it is a done deal. The actors at the Hub said it would be airing post watershed and that there wouldnt be any family friendly repeats and when we met Kai Owen at an earlier convention this year he basically hung with us for the weekend and he said that the script was very violent and that there was no way you could edit it for a kiddie audience.

I'm well aware that S3 is airing post-watershed, I never claimed anywhere that it wasn't. I was talking about the possibilities for a series 4.

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