MY RANDOM WHO AND TORCHWOOD PREDICTIONS

[tencrush]

I've got a few random predictions floating around my head, so I thought I'd spew them out here for posterity. They're based on absolutely nothing, apart from vague gut feelings.

• Moffat's Who will have TWO companions. Boy/girl. Mainly because Moffat can't resist being a bit different and can't help injecting a bit of sitcom-esque bitching and UST into the TARDIS, which, having logically taken the Doctor-has-a-penis thing to its zenith, would have to involve two other people. Moffat's great strength is writing for multiple characters, he needs various personalities to bounce around and I am nearly 100% certain about this prediction.


• The girl will be a Sally Sparrow-esque capable mix of clever and ballsy and cute, I wouldn't actually rule out Sally Sparrow herself, just because Moffat's a joker like that. The boy will be Ianto. Okay, so that last bit's about 80% wishful thinking, but I'm not ruling it out completely because I'm just... not.


• Jack will leave Torchwood at the end of TW series 3. This ties in with my prediction that Jack and Ianto will split up during series 3, but possibly for reasons you're not expecting. John is actually leaving Torchwood behind, but I have a hunch he features in one of the three Who specials, as I believe Jack's story will be tied up BEFORE the eventual regeneration. I don't believe Jack will ever interact with Eleven.


• Taking all those things together, yeah, Torchwood as we know it is coming to an end after series 3. I don't actually believe anyone is interested in taking the show any further, specifically I don't believe John or Eve are interested in doing another series, and I think retooling it is NOT actually an option. This whole idea of a family-friendly show called "Torchwood" in the BBC's early saturday evening slot is NOT going to happen, the BBC would be far too nervous about leading the kiddies it's aimed at astray when they innocently ask Santa for the series one and two dvd's for Christmas. It's not happening. Torchwood will be disbanded at the end of series three, the Hub, blowed up and revealed to the world, will stay blowed up. ETA Again: the possibility of a BBC1 post-watershed thing is still there, yes, but I'll wait and see if Bonekickers gets recomissioned to see if Beeb1 is really aiming for a prime time LOLDrama slot, and even if they ARE doing so, that would involve, like Bonekickers, a 6-episode run, 8 at best, and I don't think Barrowman would be willing to sign for that short a series.


That's it. That's my view of where this is going. I have these urges sometimes to just post things up so I can point at them later and tell people I was right, and this is one of those times. Don't take it as anything more than that. And no, I don't know any more than you do about anything at all.

ETA:
• I wasn't going to put this in because I thought it was too weird, but the more I think about it, the more sense it makes, and because dick_grayson seems to be on a frighteningly similar wavelength, I'm going to go for: Voluntary retconning for Ianto at the end of TW series 3. For some reason or other to do with his family. It just seems to sit right for me somehow, and I think it's when we'll finally find out what's going on with him and Jack and to what extent. The reason I didn't want to put it in is because it's eerily similar to Donna's story in Who S4, and I figured it didn't make sense to do that again, but the more I think about it, the more I realise that sort of thing hasn't exactly stopped them before. The reason I think it might happen is because it's a good way to put Ianto on ice as a character, but not rule out a possible return somewhere in the franchise at some point in time. So, yeah, I'm definitely putting this one in. That is my S3 ending prediction.

Comments

[love-jackianto.livejournal.com]

'I'm almost certain that Jack and Ianto will be over by the end of series 3, though I think it will be on good terms rather than bad.'
Yeah, I hope so.

'I think JB will be gone from Torchwood by the end of this series or the next, although unlike many people, I think the show could continue without him.'
Yeah, I have always assumed that Captain Jack would just be 'replaced' with Captain John.

[mellacita.livejournal.com]

Your predictions are reasonable and logical in most cases, which is part of why I am not sure they will happen. ;)

One thing, though--I thought TW was due to remain post-watershed, even with its move to BBC One? In 2010 DW will be back and can sit in its own teatime slot and TW doesn't have to fill that role at all.

Now, I will preface this with the acknowledgement that the actors can be big, fat liars, but...

1. JB was confident to the point of arrogance at the Hub that TW was not going to end after S3 and made it clear he was not considering going back to the West End because he was having such success in TV and he wants to keep doing that

2. GDL was more cautious, but said they were planning an S4 as long as S3 performed well enough

3. GDL in some of the "intimate encounters" at the Hub hypthoseized about the future based on what happens in S3 and got a bit nervous/shamefaced when someone pointed out that one might extrapoloate certain positive things from what he said. I take that to mean it was a geniune "oops" from GDL.

I think the odds are decent there will be an s4, but that will be the end of it. If it does go to S4, I expect Ianto to have a crappy ending to his story involving death, retcon, trapped in a parallel world with a clone Jack Harkness that is straight, or something similarly depressing. Like you, I don't think Jack will hang with Eleven ever. I'd go so far as to suggest they will retcon out the idea Jack is Face of Boe and make him mortal again so he can die.

[love-jackianto.livejournal.com]

'Also, yes, X-Files went down the tubes toward the end, but quality-wise, I just don't think Torchwood compares.'
I was talking about this with someone who had just finished watching series 2 the other day and she said that 'I can so clearly see what it could be, if only the writers would aim for better continuity and stop sacrificing drama for melodrama.' which is how I feel about the show. They (the powers that be) want a great show, but they can't quite pull it off.

[love-jackianto.livejournal.com]

'If it does go to S4, I expect Ianto to have a crappy ending to his story involving death, retcon, trapped in a parallel world with a clone Jack Harkness that is straight, or something similarly depressing.

I'd go so far as to suggest they will retcon out the idea Jack is Face of Boe and make him mortal again so he can die.'
Who knows, maybe Ianto becomes the Face of Boe (nobody knows more than he does, after all).

[tigercheetah.livejournal.com]

I doubt Captain John would ever be Jack's replacement. If anything, I think the producers would want to move away from having another 51st century time agent as a member of the team, in order to take the show in another direction. But someone has to fill David Tennant's shoes when he leaves next year, so finding a replacement for John won't be any harder.

I do think Gareth becoming a leading man in Torchwood is a realistic possibility but he does need to get that 2nd significant role in the next few years and rise his profile. Even David's career started off as being supporting cast only and like David, Gareth potentially has lots to offer as an actor as he gains more experience.

Ianto has to stay alive though.......

[tencrush]

I have edited my post to include my thoughts on a post-watershed BBC1 run. I don't think it's really on the cards.

[tencrush]

Yes, yes to all of those things, those are my thoughts exactly, and I've edited my post to put them in. The reason I think this will happen, is, apart from what you've said, that we've been told there will be some sort of enlightenment for the audience on what exactly is going on between the two of them. Given what we've seen of the filminng so far, the five epiosdes seem pretty action-packed, and I don't think they'll provide us with enough downtime to subtly show the audience what is going on, so I think what will happen is that they'll tell us, in some sort or goodbye scene, and retcon seems to me to be the obvious choice.

[melafiction.livejournal.com]

I wonder why I thought it was a done deal that it was going to be on 9pm on BBC1? :/ I don't usually completely fabricate things out of thin air. Oh well.

[mellacita.livejournal.com]

Oh that was me. Don't click melafiction! It's full of ev0l RPS from an old fandom.

[louisema.livejournal.com]

End of Torchwood would make me cry, mainly because there is no WAY they'll finish it satisfactorily. We will never know what the deal with Janto is. We will always be left with the nasty feeling that Gwack might not be a figment of our imaginations (or even, we'll have it CONFIRMED in the LAST EVER EPISODE, damn).

I don't want Jack to leave - I don't think Torchwood would work without him, despite my opinions on Harkness-as-lead-character. More Captain John would be excellent, but again I think he's the same sort of wouldn't-work-as-a-main-role part.

[love-jackianto.livejournal.com]

'Ianto has to stay alive though.......'
Yeah, I've always been a little worried about that; most of the character I like seem to get killed off.

'I do think Gareth becoming a leading man in Torchwood is a realistic possibility but he does need to get that 2nd significant role in the next few years and rise his profile.'
Yeah, but form what I've heard, he doesn't seem to be doing much acting outside of Torchwood (just narrating audio books and playing with his band). I'm not really in the main part of the fandom anymore, so I don't know if he's gotten other roles or not.

[tencrush]

You thought it was a done deal because that's when S3 is going out. I personally think that this whole five episode week-long thing is going to have to perform HUGELY WELL in order for the BBC to even start considering commissioning a BBC1 stint, and like I said above, I very much doubt that that stint would be anything more than 6 episodes, nothing on BBC1 ever is.

[tigercheetah.livejournal.com]

He's off to America for 3 months early next year, when pilots for new American series tend to get written and cast.

[noneinnyet.livejournal.com]

They've already tried to kill Ianto off twice. Forget Jack's vortex-induced immortality, Ianto's immortality comes from the power of Gareth's awesomeness.

I just sounded a bit too fangirl-y there. This must stop.

[noneinnyet.livejournal.com]

When I first read that I thought it was just very wishful thinking on your part but when coupled with the possibility of Torchwood ending it makes sense. Granted, Moffat has never been involved with anything involving Ianto or Gareth in the past but you've definitely made it sound plausible.

[mellacita.livejournal.com]

I just reread/reparsed and I see where I got tripped up. I thought you were saying that S3 was going to be on at teatime and that's why TW was going to end, because it would be unsuccessful there. My bad.

Yeah, I would rather it ends at Series 3 than prolong through a kiddified S4.

[love-jackianto.livejournal.com]

'They've already tried to kill Ianto off twice.

Ianto's immortality comes from the power of Gareth's awesomeness.
'
I hear that. Sometimes I wonder what Torchwood would have been like if they had managed to kill him off, either the first time or the second time.

[love-jackianto.livejournal.com]

Oh, I would love to see him in an American show. I wonder if he can do a passable American accent.

[love-jackianto.livejournal.com]

'End of Torchwood would make me cry, mainly because there is no WAY they'll finish it satisfactorily.'
Yeah, but than I've always felt that their relationship has been unsatisfying; look at how much screen time Rhys/Gwen has gotten compared to Jack/Ianto.

'(or even, we'll have it CONFIRMED in the LAST EVER EPISODE, damn).'
Don't say that too loud, you might give RTD ideas.

[louisema.livejournal.com]

Rhys/Gwen is boring, but also safe and apparently necessary to prove how wonderfully in love they are - which, considering how every other episode we get meaningful looks between Jack and Gwen, is probably actually the case.

You're right about not saying things too loud :)

[love-jackianto.livejournal.com]

'Rhys/Gwen is boring, but also safe and apparently necessary to prove how wonderfully in love they are...'
Yeah, it's kind of funny that the writers keep talking about what a 'normal' relationship Rhys/Gwen have, when you consider that she's lied to him (as far back as the very first episode), cheated on him (just because the writers seem to have forgotten Owen/Gwen doesn't mean I have), ret-conned him and used him as a doormat (if Jack had said he wanted her in KKBB, Gwen would have taken that ring off so fast).

[ceindreadh.livejournal.com]

For instance, look at Life on Mars. 2 seasons and that's it. How long do you think the US version will be dragged out?

[mellacita.livejournal.com]

I have heard that as well, but some of the actors have different degrees of confidence in S4, as I mentioned above.

My point wasn't so much what I think will happen but how I would rather it end while still itslf as opposed to changed or diluted. That's just an opinion and has no influence on what will actually happen.

[louisema.livejournal.com]

I really hate it when the writers try to retcon the audience. The fans have a collective memory of EVERYTHING anyone's ever said in the show - and we WILL pick up on it if there are continuity errors.

And yes, if Jack had said he wanted her, she would have never gone home.

[alba17.livejournal.com]

Love your tag, BTW. It could be really interesting to have 2 companions, male and female. And of course, companion Ianto would totally rock, but that will never happen.

You're killing me with your TW predictions. I don't know why you think JB will leave TW at end of S3. I thought all his public statements were that he'd stay as long as there was a show. It's basically HIS show. Does he have a better gig? I have no idea what will happen plot-wise in S3 other than the Hub blow-up, whatever that signifies. And we don't really know how much filming they do inside, do we? It could seem like more outside scenes because that's what we see them doing, while we don't see the inside stuff. Anyway, I sincerely hope you're wrong on the TW predictions. I don't want the end of the show, Ianto, or Janto.