See, I think its how his relationship with Ianto is presented has contributed to putting me off him - because somewhere along the way I accepted that TW Jack is a lot more problematic and murky than DW Jack and i'm ok with that. I like that he's a lot less 'shiny'.

But because i'm attached to Ianto, he's probably my avatar figure in the show, then i'm pretty much getting their relationship through Ianto's POV but my own filter...and not liking what I see of Jack. If that makes any sense. Its hugely frustrating because I don't quite get what Ianto sees in him at this point...