tencrush | Reflections on Day Four...

I knew Ianto was going to die. I said it so often, I TOLD EVERYONE so often because I knew it was going to happen and I wanted to save myself, and everyone else, the heartache. It was inevitable that he would die, and in the end he got a pretty good death, he wasn't alone, he got his answer, in a way, though I'm still pissed Jack couldn't just say the fucking words already, and I'm pissed at Jack for a lot of things because I've always thought Ianto deserved... more, somehow. But then I've always LOVED Ianto. I've said that many times, I've never been this fond of and invested in a fictional character IN MY LIFE, and I'm sure I'll spend the next few weeks and months attempting to figure out WHY THAT IS, and why I'm a grown woman who has has two hours' sleep and is still crying now. Because that's just fucking weird.

My biggest problem, and the thing I think I find the most awful is the thing I've always found awful from the start and that's not that Jack couldn't say the words, or that Jack couldn't be fucked to just tell Rhys to shove his beans up his arse, it's the fact that Jack KNEW he didn't want to do this again, and he KNEW he wanted to keep people at a distance, and yet he allowed Ianto into his bed and sat back and WATCHED him fall in love, and I think maybe if Jack hadn't been Ianto's boss, that would have bothered me less, but Jack WAS Ianto's boss and it DOES bother me. So... yeah. I still have that same old problem with that.

As far as the story goes, there's only one thing that really bothers me about all this and that is that I REALLY DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT THE PLAN WAS. Everyone seemed so adamant about letting Jack go in there, I don't understand what Jack was going to do apart from tell it to go fuck itself. Which is nice for Jack, because that gives him closure for 1965, but really, considering what happened in that room, that would appear to have been it. Please let Jack Harkness talk to it so he can get closure and piss it off. And get his trusty sidekick killed. It just... it's MORE than just being pointless, it seems almost selfish and from a writing point of view... contrived, as in this-is-the-scene-where-Jack-gets-closure-and-Ianto-dies-and-that's-why-this-scene-happens. I just don't really get it.

I've not been this upset in a long time, and I guess somebody somewhere deserves kudos for affecting me this much. At the moment I just don't really know who that is. And right now, I'm still just feeling like I want to kill that somebody. With that big fake-out gun.

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The minute Ianto walked inthe the Alien Chamber of death WITHOUT Gwen, I knew he wa a goner. I figured both Gwen and ianto wouldn't be killed, so when it was jsut Ianto and Jack, alarm bells began ringing. Why take a vulnerable human being to confront an invulnerable alien who can control minds and whatnot?

And I second your question. What was the bloody plan? Shoot the alien witha gun? Or did they just want to stand up to the thing to make a point? And I'm also bugged because I think Ianto was basically fridged like a women in a comic book. He died so we could see what can hurt an immortal---torture and the death of loved ones. Ianto also died so Jack would punished for his 1965 bastardy. I wish Ianto could have gone out fighting like Tosh and Owen.

" It just... it's MORE than just being pointless, it seems almost selfish and from a writing point of view... contrived, as in this-is-the-scene-where-Jack-gets-closure-and-Ianto-dies-and-that's-why-this-scene-happens. I just don't really get it. "

And this is why I felt Ianto's death is anticlimactic and pointless. Tencrush, I always like your analysis. You said that was a good death. For himself maybe, but I can't say the same from the third person's point of view. When you get a chance and are in the mood, please elaborate on that, maybe you can convince me to look it in a brighter light. Since I really don't think he's coming back, and that death was just not as grand as Tosh and Owen's exit. Sweet maybe, stirring even, but certainly not as majestic as Exit Wound.

Also, is this the final season of TW and SJA? With RTD leaving and a new Doctor coming in, the new showrunners probably don't want to deal with Rusty's flotsam.

I REALLY DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT THE PLAN WAS. Everyone seemed so adamant about letting Jack go in there, I don't understand what Jack was going to do apart from tell it to go fuck itself.

^yeah, that

*firmly lodged in Denial*

~~*which is somewhere down the road from surprising, nay, embarrassing levels of Grief*~~

Gratuitous has been the word I have been saying to myself all night and this morning. I can't see how it's helped move the story forward, I really can't.

And I'm still crying, for myself, Ianto and Gareth, I keep switching when I think of it. And I've watched the whole DW verse since it started way back when and I've not cried this much at the deaths of doctors or companions. I think the kudos should go to Gareth for making us love Ianto, but please don't kill him.

It is not usually my way to do this but I am sending you a virtual one-armed hug. I am a bit down about the whole thing too. Do they realise that they've killed off the best character? What's going to happen to the programme now? It will be shit won't it? I'm kind of hoping there is no next series.

IANTO.

FUCK-OFF HUGE GUN.

DIDN'T HAPPEN. WHY. WHY DIDN'T IT HAPPEN. WHY. WHY WOULD THEY DO THAT TO US?!

Still in shock - missed it last night and only just watched it and NOOOOO IANTO! Am not watching beyond the end of this series.

Ianto's death scene feels like one of those things where they just worked backwards from the idea that they were going to kill him to cause Jack pain rather than allowing his death to grow organically from the story.

I think the fact that it had Jack dying after Ianto and then waking up to dead Ianto (with less trauma than usual although I guess that will be put down by the writers to the method of the kill), plus the little echoes of Cyberman in how Jack was holding Ianto but getting a different result...it almost feels to me as if that scene popped into RTD's (or whoever's) head as some sort of grand romantic scene with clever echoes of when Ianto was originally supposed to die rather than being something that would make sense for the characters to do in terms of what was going on in the story at that moment in time.

If I don't remember to say this later, let me thank you now for all your great writing over the years about the show. I could see the writing on the wall during S2 when the romance never played out the way they were playing it in the media and after my experience with BtVS, I could sense my favorite character would come to an unhappy (for me) end so I've been keeping my distance. Hell, the writing was on the wall when we saw what they did to Donna. Thank god I did step away or I'd be the same wreck I was when I was spoiled for Spike's death. Even at a distance, though, this hurts.

I feel widowed.

Absolutely widowed.

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